I haven't disputed that lowbies can't retrieve

December 16, 2008 02:03PM
As I said, I actually like that lowbies can't retrieve from the orc village. I get sick of watching cabals with 5 heroes refuse to attempt a retrieval against 3 defenders and instead sending a lowbie. Or a cabal leader that won't attempt to retrieve 1 v 1 and instead sends a lowbie. Agreed that sometimes it is reasonable for a lowibe to go, but I think lowbies get sent far too readily by pretty much every cabal.

The only issue that I think should legitimately cause you really serious problems is hack leg. So that requires:
a) an orc that takes the head. That's unusual. It just happens to be happening now
b) a mamlauk that is on. Let's face it, A skruggra, mundunugu, shig-ru etc are not going to be nearly as much of a threat. Mamlauk is probably the most popular of the adaptations, but it still reduces the odds a little.
c) people that will raid with the orc, as orcs aren't great at solo raiding (although I found my mundunugu could raid fort relatively easily thanks to soot ritual). Not everyone, even in the cabals mentioned (empire and scion) will raid with the orc.
d) an orc that is willing to sit in hiding for an extended period, waiting for a retrieval. Whilst an orc can recall very fast, they are unlikely to be hidden if they are not already sitting in the village, so you'd know they are on. So go do something else for a bit and come in half an hour or so if you are convinced he's going to whup you. I actually get a bit of a kick knowing my enemies are sitting still achieving nothing whilst I gather a piece of gear, or go explore somewhere new, thus accomplishing something whilst they get bored.

If you were really worried about this, and were a village warrior, you could take maelstrom legacy. I took it as a trib, in order to handle outlanders. You could take it as a villager, in order to mitigate the dangers of blindness, and the ability of the orc to hide/pick the ground on which to fight. It's a hugely useful legacy, and Djabree proved that it is damn nice for villagers too.

Also, as you note, non-villagers can cure themselves a lot more easily, so for most of the cabals it isn't a huge issue. You just happen to be in the minority that match up badly to it.
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Nothing feels better than a little payback after you get ganked mercilessly.

LogFiend 889 December 16, 2008 12:20AM

Orc orc orc. nt

The Forsaken(VIP) 272 December 16, 2008 05:56AM

One more thing I hate.

Pro 508 December 17, 2008 03:16PM

BOATBOATBOAT! nt

Batman 283 December 16, 2008 06:00AM

*Yawn* No-power ragers trying to get the head with a broke guardian.

aussie13 481 December 16, 2008 01:37AM

I watched Isendor and Volubryotr kill Tremblefist in five rounds some time ago, so you're overestimating the guy nt

camist 399 December 16, 2008 01:23PM

Ya, I was talking about villagers raiding to get their item with no powers. Any two paladins can raid..

aussie13 385 December 16, 2008 09:36PM

Orcs aren't vulnerable holy.~

ExPaladin(VIP) 285 December 17, 2008 07:30AM

Re: Ya, I was talking about villagers raiding to get their item with no powers. Any two paladins can raid..

panir 328 December 17, 2008 06:28AM

I like it

daurwyn(VIP) 460 December 16, 2008 08:28AM

Oh wait, does it mean that orcs are OP?! Lol n/t

Elhe 362 December 16, 2008 03:01AM

No, it means their non-cabal, cabal-style guardian is bs

Quixotic 415 December 16, 2008 05:29AM

Normally you are level-headed, so I say this. Play an orc, then get back to me.

Sam 431 December 16, 2008 01:41PM

To answer your profanity with profanity

Quixotic 462 December 16, 2008 06:07PM

Back at you

daurwyn(VIP) 335 December 17, 2008 01:42PM

Re: To answer your profanity with profanity

WarEagle 402 December 16, 2008 07:12PM

Heh, thanks. (txt)

Quixotic 333 December 17, 2008 09:34AM

Re: Heh, thanks. (txt)

Scrimbul 367 December 17, 2008 09:44AM

Re: "Capture Teh Flag"

Quixotic 328 December 17, 2008 11:36AM

"After I got home" edit

Quixotic 398 December 17, 2008 12:53PM

I'll take that Ehren Nexun for you. NT

Batman 387 December 17, 2008 01:00PM

Re: "Capture Teh Flag"

Scrimbul 388 December 17, 2008 12:48PM

Let's break this down

daurwyn(VIP) 437 December 16, 2008 08:44AM

Few points.

aussie13 508 December 16, 2008 11:37AM

I haven't disputed that lowbies can't retrieve

daurwyn(VIP) 396 December 16, 2008 02:03PM

Ya, well if you were a lowbie villager you would think differently about that situation.

aussie13 330 December 16, 2008 09:30PM

If the Commander is ordering you to retrieve against Tremblefist as a lowbie, you should be talking to Kastellyn or another rager imm.

Scrimbul 529 December 16, 2008 10:48PM

Orcs shouldn't be able to down an Item of power unless there is an item of power to be taken in my opinion.

aussie13 544 December 17, 2008 01:18AM

wrong

daurwyn(VIP) 382 December 17, 2008 07:11AM

Not nearly as bad at all. Get in trouble and blinded? Quaff a return, problem solved. nt

aussie13 305 December 17, 2008 07:21PM

If you're getting nailed by Tremblefist you need more -svs

NeverMindTheWarlocks 464 December 17, 2008 04:12AM

It just cracks me up people are whining about orcs. ORCS!!!!

Sam 490 December 17, 2008 09:18AM

No one I know of thinks that the Village is OP. NT

Sam 335 December 16, 2008 01:43PM

Ya im sorry, I meant everyone that bitches about Deathblow being OP. nt

aussie13 328 December 16, 2008 09:24PM

Re: Let's break this down

Blackbird 434 December 16, 2008 09:13AM

Re: Let's break this down

daurwyn(VIP) 383 December 16, 2008 01:16PM

So which rager are you?~

Enbuergo 351 December 16, 2008 02:53AM

Good log nt

zanzarin 275 December 16, 2008 01:30AM

What a douche you took the gauntlets even though you had a pair?

johnnyboy07 450 December 16, 2008 12:30AM

Sorry he took your gauntlets, im surprised you didnt whine about it IC n/t

hopelessdwarf 350 December 16, 2008 06:16AM

Not whining at all just saying it makes him a douche lol nt

johnnyboy07 312 December 16, 2008 09:06AM

so is ganking him in voralia several times. If I was Alzinghul I woulda dropped a serious partial loot hammer n/t

hopelessdwarf 391 December 16, 2008 09:54PM

Yeah, you're right, two villagers hunting an orc over magi in range is the non-douchey move in this log.

Sam 378 December 16, 2008 01:39PM

I like you but I call BS here Dabull stxt

icthaen 375 December 16, 2008 07:37PM

homeboy likes to point fingers a lot, doesn't he? Ignore his ass.~

Blackbird 358 December 18, 2008 06:42AM

Not sure what the hell your talking about to be honest

johnnyboy07 416 December 16, 2008 03:44PM

I was a bit harsh...

Sam 380 December 16, 2008 04:54PM

Are we now whining about one extra looted item? Why you didn't tell me about new whine rules! Bastard! nt

zanzarin 319 December 16, 2008 01:32AM

Did you even read the log or just looked at the last eq? n/t

asthiss 288 December 16, 2008 01:28AM