Re: to follow your logic protection is OP since its the same redux as stone skin

March 04, 2011 11:35AM
One could argue that 25% dam redux isn't overpowered...unless you can stack it 8 times. Volkov is probably rocking the following:

barrier - 50%
aura - 20%
shield - 20%
5 invoker shields - 33% (possibly more- but 33% for the sake of argument)
protection - 25%
stoneskin - 25%
stoneform - 25%

So his damage taken is 0.50 * 0.8 * 0.8 * 0.66 * 0.75 * 0.75 * 0.75 = ~0.09.

He's taking 9% what he would sans protections, meaning it's the equivalent of him having 11x his normal HP.

If the fort guys only have mantle then they're taking 75% normal damage. If they all have the same base hp, then Volkov's dam redux means his "effective hp" is equivalent to the "effective hp" of 8 forties with mantle. But remember three of the ones in this log are vuln_drown, meaning that with only mantle they're actually <i>worse</i> off than an unprotected human. Also he can do area damage, multiplying his damage output by the number of people in the room (more or less).
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Volkov vs 9, 3 die

LogFiend 877 March 03, 2011 05:00PM

It just loses a lot of flavor, if there's a significant bug involved

Nightchild 500 March 04, 2011 06:45AM

Why is it a bug?

Noone of significance 510 March 04, 2011 07:02AM

if an extra 25% dam redux is that much of a game breaker...

Quas 477 March 04, 2011 08:54AM

Stop talking out of your ass.

Oldril 518 March 04, 2011 08:57AM

If you know how percentages work, then it doesn't matter when the 25% is calculated. (n/t)

Jib 448 March 04, 2011 09:01AM

Actually it is a gamebreaker. The difference in 90% damage reduction and 95% is HUGE for an invoker.

The Forsaken(VIP) 414 March 04, 2011 10:04AM

Correct Mathematics within:

starbright 507 March 05, 2011 07:06AM

NEEEERDSSS?!?!?!

Matrik 408 March 05, 2011 07:41AM

to prove you are a retard lets put some numbers to this

Quas 462 March 04, 2011 10:55AM

Re: to prove you are a retard lets put some numbers to this

Oldril 448 March 04, 2011 11:23AM

my bad on that error, but it doesn't change the fact that this is a case of diminishing returns and since he already has crazy good redux a little more is trivial (n/t)

Quas 357 March 04, 2011 12:25PM

Re: my bad on that error, but it doesn't change the fact that this is a case of diminishing returns and since he already has crazy good redux a little more is trivial

elmeri 422 March 07, 2011 01:52PM

So, uh, thanks for proving me right while calling me a retard?

The Forsaken(VIP) 491 March 04, 2011 11:18AM

a 20 round fight becoming a 21 round fight is not significant (n/t)

Quas 392 March 04, 2011 12:21PM

Its the relative change the matters.

Ninall 526 March 04, 2011 01:32PM

Yeah, I was gonna say, change from 82% reduction to 87% is pretty damn big difference. And a lot more than a 1 round change in a 20 round fight. (n/t)

vortexmagus 331 March 07, 2011 12:01PM

This, thank you. nt

The Forsaken(VIP) 455 March 05, 2011 04:26AM

I don't mean to play math nazi here, but what you're talking about is an extra 50% damage reduction, not 25%. ;P

Jib 362 March 04, 2011 10:13AM

Yah I know. But Quas threw out the 5% so I ran with it.

The Forsaken(VIP) 424 March 04, 2011 10:45AM

to follow your logic protection is OP since its the same redux as stone skin (n/t)

Quas 363 March 04, 2011 10:56AM

Re: to follow your logic protection is OP since its the same redux as stone skin

Isildur(VIP) 1233 March 04, 2011 11:35AM

Meant for Quas' dumb ass. nt

The Forsaken(VIP) 333 March 04, 2011 10:04AM

Its a bug

Oldril 501 March 04, 2011 09:49AM

Re: Its a bug

briartangle 452 March 04, 2011 10:08AM

Re: Its a bug

Oldril 439 March 04, 2011 10:50AM

Re: Its a bug

briartangle 470 March 04, 2011 10:55AM

Re: Its a bug

Oldril 424 March 04, 2011 11:22AM

Re: Its a bug

briartangle 550 March 04, 2011 12:15PM

lol nt (n/t)

Oldril 401 March 04, 2011 01:32PM

Agreed.

Starscream 450 March 04, 2011 10:22AM

Re: Why is it a bug?

briartangle 468 March 04, 2011 07:18AM

Re: Why is it a bug?

Noone of significance 464 March 04, 2011 07:46AM

Um, cranial was buggy for years and people were telling the IMMs about it.

Sam 477 March 04, 2011 08:23AM

Phew. What would we do without you Sam. Well done.

Jib 449 March 04, 2011 08:57AM

Actually, it made me sad :( I trusted Nepenthe implicitly before that.

Sam 376 March 04, 2011 01:44PM

Do you honestly think they gathered 9 people to gang Volkov?

Murphy 460 March 04, 2011 01:26AM

Incredibly bad-ass. Wish I could do an invoker like that (n/t)

starbright 425 March 03, 2011 11:39PM

You could easily recreate Volkov, here's how:

zannon 552 March 04, 2011 02:22AM

Why shouldn't he use tools that are available to him?

Noone of significance 376 March 04, 2011 07:30AM

He should.

zannon 399 March 04, 2011 09:44AM

The thing is..

briartangle 617 March 04, 2011 04:44AM

its also possible that he just dominates more then others so it looks easy

Quas 396 March 04, 2011 05:27AM

Pretty much it. NT

Batman 325 March 04, 2011 11:27AM

Also, let's not forget only one unfavorable Volkov log has been posted. Is that because he steamrolls everyone? Or just because he posts his wins? NT

Sam 313 March 04, 2011 08:22AM

There are characters that make him run

Murphy 421 March 04, 2011 02:20PM

yeah. txt

Isildur(VIP) 423 March 04, 2011 06:59AM

Probably this (n/t)

Jasmu 360 March 04, 2011 06:04AM

Don't hate the playa, hate the game. n/t

Chris Royse 365 March 04, 2011 04:23AM

Oh yes why didn't I think of that.

Jasmu 427 March 04, 2011 03:05AM

This log is misleading :(

Sam 532 March 03, 2011 05:12PM

Id say vs 8 considering thwerrorrip was using a lightning attack weapon. ugh fort :P (n/t)

hopelessdwarf 354 March 03, 2011 07:06PM

Not with anti-ganking code...oh well (n/t)

alanon 388 March 03, 2011 05:17PM



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