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April 29, 2015 06:56AM

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Whenever an output from CF causes your mudclient to trigger a command that sends an input to CF, that is botting. Hotkeys and Macros are just shortcuts that you can define to do certain things, there is still human intervention necessary to make that happen. With triggers (unless it is a trigger to highlight something or echo something to the user for easier detection) there is no human interaction, it is the mud clients predefined rules that are playing the character.

That is cheating.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/29/2015 06:57AM by NbM.

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Deleted Delaed.	shaapa	1160	April 28, 2015 05:22PM
So it was in your role to kill imperials, but then you join them to gang down a villager AND you sac his shit? Come on dude, even you are better than that. (n/t)	Frosty	399	May 01, 2015 05:43AM
'Parently not. (n/t)	vladamir	372	May 08, 2015 08:23PM
No (n/t)	NbM(VIP)	358	May 01, 2015 06:01AM
Shit character.	Rhyaldrin	536	April 30, 2015 02:31AM
I've always kinda assumed your playing something in the Imperial Hoarde...	Zruulg	448	April 30, 2015 03:49PM
I'm actually playing three members of the imperial horde. (n/t)	Rhyaldrin	385	April 30, 2015 07:43PM
I am 'perial Hordz. NT	Sam	379	April 30, 2015 08:35PM
I run the other two on triggers. Just using my mudclient to it's full power. (n/t)	Rhyaldrin	403	April 30, 2015 09:26PM
In light of this, Baelen's tactics make much more sense now. (n/t)	Zruulg	382	May 01, 2015 07:49AM
********************BURN CITY************************ n/t	jalim	350	May 05, 2015 02:09AM
Perial Hordz. I know the name of my next character now. (n/t)	Murphy	376	April 30, 2015 08:48PM
You're welcome :) NT	Sam	358	May 02, 2015 07:09AM
Don't confuse hatred of empire	daurwyn(VIP)	500	April 30, 2015 06:52AM
So he was good for the game then. He killed imperials after all :) (n/t)	Murphy	344	April 30, 2015 02:33AM
In that sense sure.	Rhyaldrin	448	April 30, 2015 02:35AM
Delaed!	merf	543	April 29, 2015 02:58PM
I enjoyed speaking with you. It's really sad someone in imm lands hates me so much that uninducted also you :( (n/t)	shaapa	378	May 01, 2015 04:00AM
Gee wiz, I wonder why. It's a great mystery. mmm hmmm.	Frosty	422	May 01, 2015 05:24AM
You'r the the fourth piece of shit here. Demtok, funnyone and jalim were always here. Now you too? (n/t)	shaapa	372	May 01, 2015 05:42AM
Demtok, Jalim, and I are not pieces of shit. Once again your information is fucked.	Frosty	411	May 01, 2015 05:46AM
actually all three of you are assholes	Tolnum	412	May 04, 2015 08:30AM
Not remotely the same as being a piece of shit.	vladamir	371	May 08, 2015 08:28PM
I wasn't aware that you suffer from dyslexia	Demtok	413	May 08, 2015 10:28AM
Once again you have diarrhea coming out your mouth. (n/t)	Frosty	408	May 06, 2015 02:31PM
Oh yeah, Funnyone can PK circles around me all day. You nailed that one. n/t	jalim	312	May 06, 2015 02:02PM
So, here's what we know so far.	Demtok	589	April 29, 2015 03:20PM
Here's how	daurwyn(VIP)	507	April 29, 2015 11:11PM
Totally the second part (which is how you really become a legendary lowbie looter) ....makes me wonder who Erbe was now....NT	Sam	393	April 30, 2015 12:53PM
lol, quite a hatred festival you're having here :)))	Kstatida	409	April 29, 2015 08:47PM
'ats about right. Stands up to scrut'ny. (n/t)	Frosty	399	April 29, 2015 03:51PM
I think Kstatida is too new to the game to be caught up in permaing/cheating etc. Considering Merf approaches everyone via PM with his alternate account to arrange IC playing, yeah, that part is likely. n/t	jalim	386	April 29, 2015 03:22PM
Kstatida's only job was to tell which outlanders were on. Merf was most likely to see who was hidden.	Demtok	435	April 29, 2015 03:32PM
Kstatida is a brand new player	NbM(VIP)	415	April 29, 2015 03:33PM
Brand new - outlander reaver frost giant ranger?	Demtok	474	April 29, 2015 03:39PM
counter-point, he went evil-neutral as outlander. nt	The Forsaken	386	April 30, 2015 04:38AM
Well, to be honest	Kstatida	478	April 30, 2015 05:04AM
I appreciate that play style. You're no longer in the axis of evil	Demtok	418	April 30, 2015 08:35AM
This means a lot to me, I cannot find words to express the proper level of gratitude :) (n/t)	Kstatida	359	May 01, 2015 04:20AM
That is the correct way to play. Well done. Sometimes you are forced into bad decisions. (n/t)	Artificial	389	April 30, 2015 06:16AM
It's simple -- he's not new to mudding, PK and RP. Just new to CF. (n/t)	Murphy	402	April 29, 2015 07:25PM
Pretty sure they do. n/t	jalim	362	April 29, 2015 03:45PM
Did they add a pay to play feature I don't know about?	Demtok	403	April 29, 2015 03:52PM
No Mesozoic Precambrians allowed butthole. n/t	jalim	389	April 29, 2015 04:06PM
What about 8 story tall crustaceans from the cenozoic era? (n/t)	Demtok	381	April 29, 2015 04:14PM
I gave 'em a doller. n/t	jalim	372	April 29, 2015 04:27PM
She^ gave 'em a doller! (n/t)	Frosty	356	April 29, 2015 05:17PM
Please try to be a better human being	Tadam	491	April 29, 2015 02:29PM
Autism.	wrathpuppet	495	April 29, 2015 02:40PM
I have to admit I enjoy seeing liberals being shamed for a poor choice of words.	Rhyaldrin	403	April 30, 2015 08:46AM
Huh?	wrathpuppet	438	April 30, 2015 10:08AM
Your privilege is showing. Check it.	Rhyaldrin	398	April 30, 2015 10:29AM
I'm still confused. (n/t)	wrathpuppet	371	April 30, 2015 10:35AM
If he wasn't crazy he wouldn't be a conservative. (n/t)	Artificial	401	April 30, 2015 10:37AM
Even worse: libertarian.	Rhyaldrin	395	April 30, 2015 11:33AM
Oh, I get it now.	wrathpuppet	389	April 30, 2015 11:59AM
Mostly off something you said in Elystan's feminist thread.	Rhyaldrin	414	April 30, 2015 12:07PM
No, it probably was.	wrathpuppet	379	April 30, 2015 12:10PM
What I do on public transport is not the government's business. (n/t)	Rhyaldrin	391	April 30, 2015 12:11PM
Unless the government (city) owns that transport :P (n/t)	NbM(VIP)	358	April 30, 2015 12:19PM
....	Rhyaldrin	433	April 30, 2015 12:21PM
You never can tell on this site... (n/t)	NbM(VIP)	388	April 30, 2015 12:22PM
As someone with an autistic sibling, you ooze ignorance. Embarrassing.	faristil	406	April 30, 2015 06:56AM
Grow up and stop using autism like that (n/t)	torak	345	April 29, 2015 02:56PM
"Autism is a neurodevelopmental disorder characterized by impaired social interaction, verbal and non-verbal communication, and restricted and repetitive behavior. "	wrathpuppet	413	April 29, 2015 03:00PM
By the way, we don't have that kind of diagnosys in Russia	Kstatida	429	April 29, 2015 09:30PM
Not really. n/t	jalim	348	April 29, 2015 03:19PM
It's not really applicable?	wrathpuppet	424	April 29, 2015 03:25PM
You really can't judge social cues in normal society from internet behavior. You are doing autism a disservice by comparing it to random trolling and internet tough guy syndrome. n/t	jalim	368	April 29, 2015 03:26PM
Exactly	torak	427	April 29, 2015 04:44PM
There's no agenda.	wrathpuppet	412	April 29, 2015 04:52PM
These are your issues then. I am an asshole at times on the internet but that doesn't mean I have a mental illness. It means at times I'm an asshole. n/t	jalim	385	April 30, 2015 07:08AM
I'd agree with you most of the time.	wrathpuppet	389	April 29, 2015 03:30PM
I'm just saying emotional disorders and narcissism don't necessarily have anything to do with autism. n/t	jalim	353	April 29, 2015 03:33PM
I'm saying all three are present. (n/t)	wrathpuppet	355	April 29, 2015 03:36PM
Bleh. This isn't work. You can have it. =P n/t	jalim	389	April 29, 2015 03:38PM
Booo! Matrik would have kept going.	wrathpuppet	402	April 29, 2015 03:40PM
A character having so much butthurt on a charboard deserves a PBF published. The treat is on me :)	Kstatida	438	April 29, 2015 01:30PM
Now we know it's 115:1, not 115:0 :) (n/t)	Kstatida	360	April 30, 2015 08:16AM
Suicided my criminal flag in organia because i wouldn't fight any kind of guards per role.	shaapa	399	May 01, 2015 03:59AM
Whether you do it on purpose or not it is still a pk death. (n/t)	NbM(VIP)	389	May 01, 2015 05:28AM
Apr 8, 2015 \|Lv 51\|Organia, the Veil of Shadow\|vs 3: <51> Nuerria (2%), <49> Omntur (68%, slice), <41> Hitrilipimi (29%)	shaapa	373	May 01, 2015 05:52AM
Too bad you didn't write a role about dying on purpose to unsuccessfully avoid a PK death. And to think you were doing so well with your stellar RP	Demtok	456	May 01, 2015 09:45AM
Bahahahahahhaa. 25 commander kills. n/t	jalim	369	April 30, 2015 09:32AM
If you were any more up his ass it would be considered body snatching. (n/t)	Demtok	386	April 29, 2015 02:50PM
You despise him so much it sounds mental (n/t)	Kstatida	413	April 29, 2015 09:07PM
THANK YOU! I didn't want to have to be the one to say it.;	Frosty	400	April 29, 2015 03:45PM
don't say 5 bucks is a big deal around here	Kstatida	403	April 29, 2015 09:12PM
The hypocrisy exhibited in this thread is astounding.	Matrik	477	April 29, 2015 12:31PM
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH HAHAHAHAHAHA	NbM(VIP)	449	April 29, 2015 01:14PM
They banned me for that too. Great crowd around the game these days. (n/t)	Matrik	371	April 29, 2015 01:28PM
:( Well shit...	NbM(VIP)	421	April 29, 2015 01:37PM
Yeah, was a half decent response. Unbanned already.	Matrik	421	April 29, 2015 01:40PM
I dunno why wouldn't they make halflings playable.	Murphy	405	April 29, 2015 09:09PM
I want halflings too	MiyagiYojimbo	368	April 30, 2015 12:22PM
svirfneblins occupy their place already, I guess (n/t)	Kstatida	350	April 29, 2015 09:21PM
You were a dick. I hated you. You were a sneaky fucker who would pick the perfect time to sneak up and ruin someones day.	Frosty	456	April 29, 2015 06:08AM
a good presence	silatar	419	April 29, 2015 05:28AM
you're kind of a weird player. anecdote	The Forsaken	455	April 29, 2015 05:25AM
Your character was shit, just like your RP and trigger abuse.	Demtok	442	April 29, 2015 05:12AM
Using the triggers when you look at the monitor and can respond to anything what has happened isn't cheating, you dumb piece of shite. (n/t)	shaapa	366	April 29, 2015 11:22AM
Yes, it is. (n/t)	Frosty	374	April 29, 2015 03:52PM
I'm going to laugh when your deletion doesnt come up because you were denied due to triggers (n/t)	Demtok	355	April 29, 2015 11:49AM
sure it is, your reactions simply aren't near as fast as a trigger. nt	The Forsaken	360	April 29, 2015 11:27AM
And? (n/t)	Murphy	375	April 29, 2015 07:19PM
electronic signals are 60% the speed of light. Shaapa believe he is as fast. The logic of a slow mind. (n/t)	Demtok	386	April 29, 2015 11:53AM
Weak argument, "reaction time" is limited by MUD processing loop which has fixed time requirements (pulses) and also network roundtrip	zoskia	416	April 30, 2015 11:21AM
Ask immortals on the main board. If they say you cannot use triggers while reacting on everything what is happening in MUD i won't do it. (n/t)	shaapa	415	April 29, 2015 11:33AM
You already posted logs using triggers that are not allowed. You hype yourself up to some allstar player but you're just a slow fingered ESL dolt without a care for the rules (n/t)	Demtok	378	April 29, 2015 11:51AM
I wonder how you manage ESL to sound like as an insult :) (n/t)	Kstatida	384	April 29, 2015 01:02PM
It's not supposed to be taken as an insult but as a modifier to the subject	Demtok	425	April 29, 2015 02:57PM
being ESL, I didn't get the meaning of the last paragraph	Kstatida	377	April 29, 2015 09:03PM
It is a play on the idiom "riding someone's balls"	Murphy	371	April 29, 2015 09:22PM
I could come up with only one meaning for riding balls	Kstatida	385	April 29, 2015 09:34PM
Hi on purp with my J's on. n/t	jalim	348	April 29, 2015 03:24PM
Post of the year, right there. (n/t)	Frosty	345	April 29, 2015 03:54PM
Isn't english fun! (n/t)	Demtok	376	April 29, 2015 03:33PM
I don't quite understand how can you "abuse" triggers? (n/t)	Kstatida	373	April 29, 2015 05:48AM
You can't understand how someone is able to cheat? You're either trolling or as dim as an Amish basement (n/t)	Demtok	349	April 29, 2015 06:35AM
I don't understand why you call triggers cheating	Kstatida	425	April 29, 2015 06:54AM
If you have to cheat to compete you should delete.	Demtok	423	April 29, 2015 07:13AM
Re: I don't understand why you call triggers cheating	NbM(VIP)	436	April 29, 2015 06:58AM
Re: I don't understand why you call triggers cheating	Ninall	492	April 29, 2015 08:25AM
Botting is different than hot keys, at that point you aren't playing the game your computer is. n/t	jalim	357	April 29, 2015 06:56AM
My idea is that triggers and botting are different, although you can't do botting without triggers of course :) (n/t)	Kstatida	382	April 29, 2015 07:06AM
I agree with this.	Ninall	451	April 29, 2015 08:30AM
He used triggers to cast sleep on his targets a lot faster than one should be able to manually. It's cheating. (n/t)	Frosty	363	April 29, 2015 06:26AM
Dunno. I use hotkeys to attack $pk target with all kinds of attacks	Kstatida	473	April 29, 2015 06:53AM
Simple	NbM(VIP)	494	April 29, 2015 06:56AM
That is not the current CF definition of botting	Ninall	461	April 29, 2015 08:32AM
Um... yes it is	NbM(VIP)	428	April 29, 2015 08:55AM
How about looking at the definition..	Ninall	444	April 29, 2015 10:21AM
Let me break it down for you, and others:	Jib	437	April 29, 2015 12:07PM
Imms could say that using rolling triggers is botting	Kstatida	385	April 29, 2015 10:08AM
I get your idea, it's just that CF rules have different definition of botting (n/t)	Kstatida	371	April 29, 2015 07:03AM
No, they don't. It is just extremely hard to enforce accurately. Blackstone's formulation and all. (n/t)	NbM(VIP)	360	April 29, 2015 07:05AM
Judging from the BOTTING helpfile quote	Kstatida	448	April 29, 2015 07:10AM
Trigger use is separate	daurwyn(VIP)	427	April 29, 2015 07:14AM
I can do the same with	Kstatida	427	April 29, 2015 07:34AM
It's not as effective	daurwyn(VIP)	404	April 29, 2015 07:40AM
Well a ranger using pursue does not know direction either :)	Kstatida	383	April 29, 2015 07:44AM
We are to believe he does tho since he's given the skill	daurwyn(VIP)	385	April 29, 2015 07:47AM
I agree totally that it has nothing to do with sportsmanship	Kstatida	418	April 29, 2015 07:53AM
for high end players (which is a high % of the population) reaction speed is a primary differentiator	Quas	383	April 29, 2015 11:56AM
Wasn't this the AP that was constantly full looting everyone? Yes, another treat from shapa. I love how you can't understand why your villagers get kicked out. (n/t)	funnyone	373	April 29, 2015 01:16AM
Are you the same person as Jalim? You post at the same time and always speak with yourself ... (n/t)	shaapa	326	April 29, 2015 01:40AM
Yes, you solved the ultimate mindfuckler. I am Funnyone. n/t	jalim	350	April 29, 2015 01:46AM
What if.... (n/t)	NbM(VIP)	375	April 29, 2015 03:40AM
Considering the fact that you had no issues PKing non-criminals in a protected city...that was probably the reason. n/t	jalim	383	April 29, 2015 12:25AM
I forgot the moment when jalim became such a whiney bitch.	shaapa	439	April 29, 2015 12:51AM
I'm pretty sure you were the guy I prayed about casting iceball in Galadon trying to hit a thief while a Tribunal.	jalim	448	April 29, 2015 01:13AM
Small anecdote:	Elystan	460	April 29, 2015 08:32AM
:D :D :D THAT WAS MEEEEEE!!! (n/t)	legobelt	395	April 29, 2015 03:24PM
Makes perfect sense	Kstatida	418	April 29, 2015 10:05AM
Actually since Trib is a strictly orderly/lawful cabal IMMs step in constantly when Tribs act deceitful and break the law, it is technically breaking character.	jalim	416	April 29, 2015 03:30PM
Can't an OOC screwup also be an IC screw up?	Elystan	494	April 30, 2015 03:13AM
They can be. My evil provost pkd constantly out of town. Just depends on your role. n/t	jalim	378	April 30, 2015 07:11AM
Well, considering their RP as law enforcere is part of the game balance and mechanics	Kstatida	393	April 29, 2015 09:14PM
Was the thief wanted?	daurwyn(VIP)	376	April 29, 2015 07:15AM
Law says you can use area spells provided you do not harm innocents (n/t)	Artificial	366	April 29, 2015 08:26AM
Depends on leadership and IMM activity. n/t	jalim	395	April 29, 2015 08:38AM
I don't know that iceball falls within that exception.	zannon	432	April 29, 2015 08:18AM
Not that could	daurwyn(VIP)	388	April 29, 2015 11:09AM
Post a log idiot.	shaapa	435	April 29, 2015 01:32AM
Why would I save a log of random pk Spire betrayer #2040 breaking the law? Pray and move on. n/t	jalim	355	April 29, 2015 01:37AM
Such whiney bitch like you would definatelly post the log to the log board. (n/t)	shaapa	396	April 29, 2015 01:41AM
Usually my logs are several months old. I don't like the concept of posting logs with active characters, does more harm than good to the game. n/t	jalim	369	April 29, 2015 01:45AM
By the way it's you who play random #2040 characters and then don't even claim them.	shaapa	391	April 29, 2015 01:47AM
Oh okay, thanks for clearing that up. This character was still an over-conservative, gear-given, lowbie-looting, full-saccing, no-rping, cabal-betraying terd-burglar though. n/t	jalim	366	April 29, 2015 01:52AM
My favorite type of conversations :) Do please go on.	Kstatida	404	April 29, 2015 03:26AM
I can't unless he participates, I think he is on to me. =( n/t	jalim	362	April 29, 2015 03:20PM
I guess we'll have to treat him to some vodka then	Kstatida	360	April 29, 2015 08:51PM
I noticed the same	daurwyn(VIP)	475	April 28, 2015 11:09PM
Yeah that was my mistake.	shaapa	462	April 29, 2015 12:54AM
Good job man	Bemus-ed	435	April 28, 2015 07:36PM
Figured it was you :) NT	Sam	367	April 28, 2015 05:50PM
I pretty much knew, about 2 days ago in a discussion I called it. I thought it was Elystan at first, then I realized only one guy has the aggression Shaapa does. Well done. (n/t)	Gaplemo	379	April 28, 2015 06:23PM
Woah woah woah... No one has the aggression that Shamanman does... even Shaapa! (n/t)	NbM(VIP)	372	April 28, 2015 06:53PM
Shaapa is ESL though. And when he posted some logs you could tell the player was clearly ESL. Narrowed it down to 2, imo, and Kostyan is too bitch to play that aggressive. (n/t)	Gaplemo	350	April 29, 2015 11:23AM
I'd argue Boca and Shaapa are close 2nd's, easily. NT	Sam	370	April 29, 2015 10:42AM
Shamanan's agression with zero pk looses in 200+ hours :P (n/t)	shaapa	374	April 29, 2015 01:11AM
I didn't say that shamanman doesn't die a lot. I just said he is the most aggressive pker (n/t)	NbM(VIP)	343	April 29, 2015 03:39AM
Rolling with zero pk deaths is pretty impressive. Well done. (n/t)	TJHuron	379	April 28, 2015 05:39PM
There's an element of luck in not having 1	daurwyn(VIP)	468	April 29, 2015 07:44AM
What is awesome	NbM(VIP)	453	April 29, 2015 08:00AM
The only correction is that didn't kill Delaed, but stole his bigmammagun (n/t)	Kstatida	388	April 29, 2015 08:04AM

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