1) Help rules

March 13, 2017 02:53PM
* Using automation to play for you is not permitted. See BOTTING.


For our purposes, a BOT is a term for a grouping of interconnected triggers
run on a MUD client that performs a set of actions, e.g. spamming magic spell
casting for the purpose of skill practice while seeing to a characters eating,
drinking and sleeping needs at the same time.

Generally speaking, if you the player are still in attendance to respond
appropriately to any incoming stimuli for your character, you're not breaking
any rules. You the player always needs to be in control of the character.
What constitutes legal use of triggers and illegal use of a bot is at the
discretion of the immortal staff, so please be aware that we may ask you to
stop if we deem what you are doing inappropriate.

An excerpt from 'help rules':

"Using your client to play for you (botting), while ignoring everything
else going on around you is not roleplaying, and you will be punished
as such."

So the kinds of triggers that start combat or a disarm trigger are not a client playing for you, therefore, not cheating.

2) Triggers don't help you win fights. They help you seal kills on fights you were already going to win/are winning. A dash trigger does fuckall if you get curb stomped in melee. An auto-bat trigger doesn't prevent someone from bashing you to death (have done with several orcs to bat spamming pallys). Specifically there is *no* fight a trigger can win for you since it can't do anything you can't do, it can only do that which you would already do (follow, re-engage, etc.) *faster*. If Shaapa completely stopped trigger use, you would still lose to him all the same times you already do, but now you'd get away (maybe) slightly more often assuming everything else stays the same, but it wouldn't and the lack of triggers would probably cause you to stay in a fight you are losing longer and Shaapa would just kill you the same amount as before, but now you'd blame his broken build (or whatever) instead of triggers.
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Koidel's goodbyes.

shaapa 485 March 11, 2017 04:06PM

Koidel was awesome by the way.

laearrist 282 March 15, 2017 04:56AM

Enjoyed my interactions with him too. (n/t)

KoeKhaos 168 March 15, 2017 08:59AM

Re: Koidel's goodbyes.

IzhGena 220 March 14, 2017 08:52PM

Noone played Solace here

Kstatida 257 March 15, 2017 05:58AM

You need to edit this post

anta 235 March 15, 2017 10:47AM

Re: Koidel's goodbyes.

shaapa 254 March 14, 2017 09:06PM

your post edits are insane...heh nt

The Forsaken(VIP) 135 March 15, 2017 04:11AM

Re: Koidel's goodbyes.

bufu 246 March 13, 2017 09:24AM


Matrik 270 March 13, 2017 02:34PM

Re: Cosign.

wasted 283 March 13, 2017 04:06PM

Intentionally obtuse is still obtuse. (n/t)

Matrik 141 March 13, 2017 06:49PM

Acting like a 4 year old rarely helps discussions. themoreyouknow (n/t)

Frosty 145 March 13, 2017 04:34PM

Re: Cosign.

Isildur(VIP) 286 March 13, 2017 03:39PM

Your triggers make your characters too predictable. I already know your new character.

wasted 234 March 13, 2017 09:15AM

Triggers aren't cheating. If you can't beat his triggers, you can't beat him without them either. (n/t)

laearrist 131 March 13, 2017 09:55AM

Ummm... If you could take Shaapa out of your mouth for a second, try "Help rules" -- triggers have always been cheating. (n/t)

wasted 139 March 13, 2017 10:13AM

Honestly it doesn't give him THAT much advantage. I agree with laearrist that if you can't beat him with them you'll still very likely not be able to beat him without them. (n/t)

Frosty 141 March 13, 2017 12:20PM

1) Help rules

laearrist 220 March 13, 2017 02:53PM

Not sure if they still do this...

Death_Claw 161 March 15, 2017 06:04AM

Several years back..

Java 151 March 17, 2017 02:44AM

Not anymore. (n/t)

Frosty 167 March 15, 2017 07:09AM

Not necessarily true. I have died and lost kills due to mispelling words and not having any aliases/targetting systems/triggers. NT

Sam 141 March 13, 2017 04:19PM

You don't counter his argument (n/t)

Kstatida 139 March 14, 2017 12:35AM

People also had died from their own triggers. (n/t)

Murphy 143 March 13, 2017 04:20PM

Yea, and my argument wasn't that you won't die due to mistypes (totally possible with aliases) or lose kills due to poor targetting, but rather than you can't *win* fights you'd otherwise be losing... (n/t)

laearrist 141 March 13, 2017 04:57PM

Re: Yea, and my argument wasn't that you won't die due to mistypes (totally possible with aliases) or lose kills due to poor targetting, but rather than you can't *win* fights you'd otherwise be losing...

wasted 179 March 14, 2017 08:03AM

Re: Yea, and my argument wasn't that you won't die due to mistypes (totally possible with aliases) or lose kills due to poor targetting, but rather than you can't *win* fights you'd otherwise be losing...

Kstatida 175 March 15, 2017 05:25AM

Not necessarily.

Frosty 211 March 15, 2017 11:31AM

I have made my first trigger when 14 years old

Kstatida 129 March 17, 2017 11:09AM

Re: Yea, and my argument wasn't that you won't die due to mistypes (totally possible with aliases) or lose kills due to poor targetting, but rather than you can't *win* fights you'd otherwise be losing...

laearrist 193 March 14, 2017 09:00AM


Matrik 209 March 14, 2017 10:31AM

Well I'm about 350 cpm

Kstatida 146 March 15, 2017 05:38AM

Real talk, before playing MUDs I was at 40-60 words a minute, now I'm probably at 70-90. NT

Sam 184 March 14, 2017 02:25PM

Before playing MUDs I typed with one finger. (n/t)

Murphy 133 March 14, 2017 09:34PM

My grandfather played muds typing with just index fingers. (n/t)

Matrik 180 March 15, 2017 06:48AM

Mine played with some sort of stick and fish rigging. I still don't understand it completely.

MiyagiYojimbo 190 March 15, 2017 07:17AM

125-150 wpm last I tested.

Matrik 210 March 14, 2017 06:01PM

Pretty sure I could hit 110 if mistakes are allowed :) NT

Sam 136 March 15, 2017 03:29PM

Nobody is stopping you from using your own chase triggers. I agree chase triggers are "cheating" but I didn't make the game so I don't make the rules. (n/t)

Frosty 181 March 14, 2017 08:10AM

What a novel concept (n/t)

NbM(VIP) 129 March 14, 2017 08:21AM

And furthermore (higher on soapbox) if tirggers/aliases offer such a HUGE competitive advantage, and yet are easily done, that is bad game design. You don't fix bad game design by telling the players to play less well in a competitive game. (n/t)

laearrist 150 March 13, 2017 05:01PM

Only 'fix' would be that we are only able to login through CF's MUD Client... and that would be terrible. :( (n/t)

wasted 127 March 14, 2017 07:42AM

Re: 1) Help rules

wasted 165 March 13, 2017 04:03PM

No, people are trying to explain something to you. You don't agree, and called people explaining things to you "circlejerking" which they were not. (n/t)

Frosty 140 March 13, 2017 04:31PM

Looks like the circle just got bigger! Bwahaha! (n/t)

wasted 196 March 13, 2017 09:35PM

You're one to talk about circles getting bigger. (n/t)

Frosty 174 March 13, 2017 09:52PM

We talking buttholes? I hope we're talking buttholes. (n/t)

wasted 126 March 14, 2017 07:43AM

Are we ever NOT talking about buttholes? ;) (n/t)

Frosty 180 March 14, 2017 08:09AM

This subthread is QHCF in its most pure and concentrated form. (n/t)

TheShamanman 217 March 14, 2017 09:23AM

Did you mean to reply to wasted? I didn't say it was cheating. (n/t)

Frosty 150 March 13, 2017 02:57PM

yes (n/t)

laearrist 144 March 13, 2017 03:06PM

It's not unknown and imms don't seem to be cracking down so it's likely not cheating in their book.

Quas 172 March 13, 2017 12:08PM

It used to be cracked down on back in the day... But right now we have about 4 active IMMs so I'm sure lots of stuff gets overlooked, sadly. (n/t)

wasted 130 March 13, 2017 12:16PM

Your days are over

Kstatida 192 March 13, 2017 12:38PM

GTFO? Naw, I think I'll just keep feasting on your cheating nooblets. (n/t)

wasted 142 March 13, 2017 02:07PM

Bring it on, motherfucker!

Kstatida 163 March 13, 2017 11:50PM

Haha, you wish you were that cool. (n/t)

Frosty 144 March 14, 2017 06:47AM

Anyone who screams triggers is probably a trigger user and cheater himself. (n/t)

Murphy 139 March 13, 2017 04:19PM

Re: Anyone who screams triggers is probably a trigger user and cheater himself.

wasted 209 March 13, 2017 09:29PM

the word you're looking for is "realistic"

Murphy 201 March 13, 2017 09:52PM

Nope (n/t)

NbM(VIP) 128 March 14, 2017 03:38AM

Sounds convincing :) (n/t)

Kstatida 124 March 14, 2017 03:44AM

You were also allowed to go to hell with people you knew too(not gunna let up on them about that until they 'splain themselves). ;) Things change. (n/t)

Frosty 136 March 13, 2017 12:23PM

a very good paladin, well done

The Forsaken(VIP) 273 March 13, 2017 04:56AM

question... how did you log both your chars in at the same time?

The Forsaken(VIP) 190 March 13, 2017 12:16PM

You and I need to break from this habit.

K-B 308 March 12, 2017 06:01PM

He'd have to have risk written into his client's bot, that has to be vetted and approved first ;) (n/t)

NbM(VIP) 168 March 12, 2017 06:27PM

Just like players have to be OOC vetted and approved before you let them join your cabal.

Matrik 266 March 12, 2017 07:41PM

;) (n/t)

Kstatida 118 March 12, 2017 11:22PM

Burn (n/t)

NbM(VIP) 206 March 12, 2017 07:56PM

Good. Delete. I tire of fighting your client. You cheat with each of your characters and then wonder why no one wants to play with you. Take your automated football home Charlie Brown, no one wants to play with a cheater. (n/t)

funnyone 146 March 12, 2017 10:38AM

You will have even less enemies with monk builds imo, don't do it!

badboy 198 March 12, 2017 10:21AM

Stupid bat spammer

Kstatida 332 March 12, 2017 01:53AM

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