Overgeneralisation

November 19, 2013 10:36PM
There's considerable variation in the education methods in the [East] Asian countries. Also I've found a tendency amongst some to play up the rigour of education systems in the East Asian countries. It's really not that extreme - a lot of us (Singaporeans) grew up playing a lot of computer games, going to compulsory sports/student club activities, religious activities, etc. Whereas the Chinese system is harsher on the kids in terms of raw work required and rote memorisation needed.

So on average, East Asian countries have tougher/less discussion-based schooling cultures/systems compared to non-East Asian countries. But there is significant variation within East Asian countries. Note also that Singapore is strictly Southeast Asian, but racially it has a Chinese majority. Asia is really big. When Americans say Asian they mean East Asian (Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Mongolian, etc.). There are also South Asians (India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, etc.), Central Asians (Kazakhstan, Russia east of the Urals, Azerbaijan, etc.) and Middle Easterns (Arabs, Israelis, etc.).

If you ask me what is lacking in stereotypically East Asian education systems, it is not academic quality. Our education and culture tends to produce people who are risk-averse, followers as opposed to leaders, un-aggressive, non-confrontational, passive-aggressive - just look around the USA to see how many [East] Asian accountants/lawyers/engineers there are, and how few leaders/CEOs/entrepreneurs (even if you account for discrimination against visible minorities in high corporate positions). That's a much bigger problem than "our kids don't dominate the International Mathematical Olympiads". Intellectual achievement up to a point is useless further on, without being backed up with good old-fashioned aggression and ambition.

Source: all my education pre-University was in Singapore, University education in England.
Subject Author Posted

This is one of the best articles I've read this year

PaulO November 10, 2013 05:40PM

Hocus pocus, you're made of bogus

Srev November 15, 2013 05:53AM

Student-centered education is the way to go.

DurNominator(VIP) November 11, 2013 04:09AM

I think the logical conclusion there is to remove the teacher entirely (n/t)

Elystan November 11, 2013 07:03AM

Not really. He is there to guide the learning process.

DurNominator(VIP) November 11, 2013 08:06AM

Is that really true? Asian countries (I'm thinking of China, Japan, Korea, Singapore, etc) routinely score extremely well on every measurable test they're given.

vortexmagus November 11, 2013 05:58AM

Overgeneralisation

starbright November 19, 2013 10:36PM

Competition is used to cull the weak-minded.

Quixotic November 12, 2013 01:52PM

hehe

Matrik November 12, 2013 01:59PM

Where in China?

DurNominator(VIP) November 11, 2013 08:15AM

The place with slanted buttholes (n/t)

HairyOrangutan November 12, 2013 12:05PM

It's a very relative thing.

vortexmagus November 11, 2013 09:04AM

to be fair (racist stereotypes incoming) most Asian societies value education as a "thing" of itself, not just another way to get rich (n/t)

morocco November 11, 2013 08:36PM

Blood type B negative????? FAILURE RUNS THROUGH YOUR VEINS!!! (n/t)

Nurok November 12, 2013 07:54AM

insert asian dad macro here (n/t)

morocco November 12, 2013 07:10PM

Wait.. what?

Java November 11, 2013 03:35AM

Different number of students from one class in that high percentile.

DurNominator(VIP) November 11, 2013 05:28AM

It's about the difference made in one year

PaulO November 11, 2013 04:31AM

It's just deprogramming.

Death_Claw November 10, 2013 06:27PM

US education system would be better off now if they had listened to John Dewey more. (n/t)

DurNominator(VIP) November 12, 2013 06:49AM

I do like Ken Robinson

PaulO November 10, 2013 06:48PM

I'll disagree.

Death_Claw November 10, 2013 07:53PM

I'll further disagree

Elystan November 11, 2013 03:00AM

You should've read the OP...

Death_Claw November 11, 2013 08:29AM

Some people do. I do my best learning with lectures. (n/t)

Matrik November 11, 2013 09:44AM

I've taught a lot of people a lot of things over the years.

Death_Claw November 11, 2013 02:26PM

Re: I've taught a lot of people a lot of things over the years.

Jib November 12, 2013 10:12AM

He's also discounting:

Matrik November 12, 2013 10:34AM

Nah, I'm not.

Death_Claw November 13, 2013 09:30AM

It's still anecdotal, due to the specificity of the material.

Matrik November 13, 2013 09:55AM

Nah, I removed the "go fuck yourself" part.

Death_Claw November 13, 2013 10:04AM

You don't offend me.

Matrik November 13, 2013 10:26AM

I thought about mentioning that but didn't want to go down that road ;)

Jib November 12, 2013 10:53AM

Teaching in general is hard work.

Matrik November 12, 2013 11:29AM

I'm an auditory learner

Rade November 11, 2013 03:32PM

Right there with you

Lokain November 12, 2013 09:25AM

Very similar here. Obviously death_claw hasn't met many people. (n/t)

Matrik November 11, 2013 05:43PM

Actually, I think the best method is a combination of senses. Seeing something, hearing something, and doing something combined. It's close-minded and ignorant to say "auditory is the best or reading is the best".

Jib November 12, 2013 09:52AM

The best method...

Death_Claw November 13, 2013 09:47AM

I'll believe it when I see it.

Death_Claw November 11, 2013 06:30PM

actually i'm an auditory too, dad

morocco November 11, 2013 10:09PM

Better take some notes when you do. (n/t)

MiyagiYojimbo November 11, 2013 06:48PM

I was able to get through school with no notes...

Death_Claw November 11, 2013 07:06PM

Yeah, I think a part of it is what material is being covered

PaulO November 12, 2013 05:47AM

Poor empty soul. One day you will find meaning. At least, we all hope so. (n/t)

Matrik November 11, 2013 07:15PM

OMG. It's almost as if different people learn differently.

Java November 11, 2013 03:23AM

I don't think that's true at all...

Death_Claw November 11, 2013 08:35AM

You're making some interesting assumptions.

Java November 11, 2013 08:57AM

The funny part is...

Death_Claw November 11, 2013 02:18PM

I don't like...

Matrik November 10, 2013 06:20PM

recommendations for elementary schools from a jeopardy! champion

morocco November 10, 2013 06:19PM

Wife is a teacher. She loved montessori.

Matrik November 10, 2013 06:20PM

I went to Montessori. We all ended up fucked up, fwiw. (n/t)

wrathpuppet November 10, 2013 06:49PM

Define "fucked up"? Like meth addicts or something? n/t

Death_Claw November 10, 2013 07:54PM

There's not a lot of meth around here.

wrathpuppet November 10, 2013 08:47PM

to be fair i'm also a high school dropout

morocco November 11, 2013 02:38AM

So your recommendation...

Java November 11, 2013 03:29AM

also it's not my recommendation to force anyone to do anything vis-a-vis education

morocco November 11, 2013 03:42AM

went to public high school (one of the best in the state not that it matters)

morocco November 11, 2013 03:33AM

So... you liked Montessori because it was fun and you could play games? Still not seeing it. nt

Java November 11, 2013 03:36AM

you should really read the wiki on the idea

morocco November 11, 2013 03:50AM

He's just out looking for a fight. (n/t)

Matrik November 11, 2013 04:18AM

If you can't control the flow of your own life anyway, discussing the merits or demerits of montessori is pointless. (n/t)

Matrik November 10, 2013 09:50PM

Well, I don't think you can "go back".

Death_Claw November 10, 2013 08:53PM

I'll agree with that, but...

wrathpuppet November 11, 2013 04:33AM

"Training kids" is easy.

Death_Claw November 11, 2013 08:43AM

can you be my dad? (n/t)

morocco November 11, 2013 08:46PM

I can be your dad.

RobDarken November 11, 2013 10:56PM

Home school can work.

Matrik November 11, 2013 05:09AM

Oh, it totally can work.

wrathpuppet November 11, 2013 05:38AM

I would tend to agree. I was homeschooled...

RobDarken November 11, 2013 07:15AM

Well...you do actually have to want to spend time with your kid...

Death_Claw November 11, 2013 08:46AM

Yeah

PaulO November 11, 2013 05:53AM

This amuses me.

Java November 11, 2013 03:27AM

You should read my post.

Death_Claw November 11, 2013 08:37AM



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