July 05, 2015 09:05PM
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...and thus it's hard to jump into bed with Java here- historically you and I have seen eye to eye more often.
However: You said you were studying for a final in Constitutional Law? You need to hit the books a bit harder, old friend. Your central theme is that the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment is a poor rationale in this case (if I'm interpreting you correctly) because in practice, in the majority of case law, it only applies to protected classes of people. I'm not going to debate that, because I don't stay current with the ticker-tape of case law.
The problem is that the Supreme Court, while acknowledging precedent as a vital part of common law, is the very body that exists in order to determine the interpretation and application of the Constitution of the United States. Therefore, several million cases could be decided in one vein, only to have tSCotUS make a ruling in a diametrically-opposed direction. That's their job- to maintain the application of the wisdom of the Founders despite the whims and cultural tide of the population. Equal protection for all citizens means equal protection for all citizens. Whatever happens in the lower courts, there's only a certain amount of judicial interpretation that can be added to an argument over constitutionality of an issue. The plain meaning rule of judicial interpretation applies heavily here (I grant you, I'm a secular-minded strict constructionist).
The pedophilia argument has been tossed around before as well, you card-carrying NAMBLA member. (HA!). However, laws governing age of consent and statutory rape are designed to prevent predatory abuse, not delineate marriage rights. Essentially, both parties in a legal marriage must still consent AND BE ABLE to consent, which I believe is the thrust of Java's refutation.
In MY perfect world, (as some here have hinted at) marriage would be a social construct or a religious one, conferring no benefit or change in legal status to ANY person. Then again, in that world churches would also have to pay taxes like the rest of us, and Jim Henson would've gone and gotten a fucking bottle of Robitussin so he could be selling out good and hard by now like everyone else.
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