You're still missing the experience/information schism I'm mentioning. I AM stated there is a difference. We're not in disagreement there. As far as everything observant and doing?

March 04, 2010 03:42PM
Not really.

All I was stating was that I thought your comparison was off. He's saying he can learn things about it, not necessarily be as GOOD at it as somebody else(Athletics example).

Smell example: Still a bit meh on it. New Jersey doesn't have a distinct smell, as the "smell" would be a conglomeration of a number of things. Tell me it smells like wet cat, a big diaper, and your mothers cooch, and I'd be pretty familiar with it and could imagine it. Does that mean I've SMELLED New Jersey? No, unless we're counting the countless molecules of oxygen I've breathed in that have been there too(Damnable olfactory functions!).

I'm really not disagreeing with you too much here, I just felt like Stevers was conveying that he could learn about something without doing it, which I agree with. If you're a Locke-fag, which you partially sound like, you'd state that knowledge comes directly from, and ONLY from experience. I'm not too much a fan of that, knowing that you can receive knowledge in multiple ways.

Your final paragraph made me chuckle because it make 0% sense to me.


(No insult to you)"Let me put this another way then. If what you're saying is true, then you should be able to know exactly how Jersey smells without visiting it, right? So if you smelled something similar, you could say, "Hey, this smells like Jersey."? I don't think so. I think you know stuff (like a smell or how to throw a football) better through observation and experience than someone who only reads about it."

Wat. I never said I could smell Jersey without being there. You could describe it to me in ways that may relate to things I'm familiar with(Lots of teachers do this for a variety of subjects). Once again, I agree - I haven't "Smelled Jersey by being there in the location and taking a waft of the conglomeration of scents in a select area"(I doubt the whole thing smells the same, like Detroit[Smells like nigger]).


"I think you know stuff (like a smell or how to throw a football) better through observation and experience than someone who only reads about it."

That. I like that. This is the most clear statement in your whole post. Perfect. Yeah, you could probably play football better by playing it over and over(Since it's a physical reaction type thing involving the attempt to make certain actions instinct) than someone who just read about it. Is it possible there's a Braniac somewhere who can read intricate details about a topic and then immediately play with the abilities he has read? Maybe. Probably not. So I'm not really arguing against you there. Smell thing, already mentioned. I think the disconnect we're having is this, and it's probably because I'm too busy being an asshole, and not clearly portraying my thoughts: I think you can gather information about something just as well indirectly as directly. I don't need to put my hand on a hot stove to know it hurts, I can watch some other idiot do it and I go "Wow I know how to act around that now". That situation isn't supposed to apply to all of this, as I'm just talking specifically about "information gathering", not body improvement, skill gaining, etc.

So yeah.

You're right.
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Gone Backpacking

katistrofik March 01, 2010 06:22PM

I'm in Aussieland. I think I got you on AIM, ill talk to you there (n/t)

ilostmycoconut March 02, 2010 12:29PM

Re: I'm in Aussieland. I think I got you on AIM, ill talk to you there

katistrofik March 03, 2010 04:19PM

What's your budget?

Matrik March 02, 2010 09:46AM

Re: What's your budget?

katistrofik March 04, 2010 04:40AM

Go to Titan, I've heard it's beautiful this time of the year. NT

Batman March 02, 2010 08:58AM

I have never understood this wanderlust people have.

Artificial March 02, 2010 08:52AM

Hard to explain. Try it once and see for yourself. n/t

Death_Claw March 05, 2010 10:01AM

Personally, I regret not travelling more. The world is an amazing, beautiful place. We should try to see as much of it as we can. NT

Sam March 02, 2010 03:33PM

Other places in the world are other places in the world

Blackbird March 02, 2010 09:05AM

The world is small

Artificial March 02, 2010 09:40AM

You are weird. NT

Sam March 02, 2010 03:37PM

ur mom is so weird she freed shai'tan oooooooooooo nt

Batman March 03, 2010 04:34AM

Experience versus observation

PaulO March 02, 2010 12:45PM

Yet you can still learn just as much about it by reading. n/t

Stevers March 02, 2010 01:22PM

Not true, or professional athletes would never practice and would solely watch video/read as much as they can.

PaulO March 02, 2010 01:29PM

I don't think athletics applies. He isn't saying he could DO SOMETHING as well as someone else, he is saying he can ge the same pleasure/information as someone else. Maybe I'm retarded, but I don't see the logic in that comparison. NT

Batman March 03, 2010 04:32AM

Knowledge devoid of application is useless

PaulO March 04, 2010 03:13PM

You're still missing the experience/information schism I'm mentioning. I AM stated there is a difference. We're not in disagreement there. As far as everything observant and doing?

Batman March 04, 2010 03:42PM

Re:

PaulO March 04, 2010 05:32PM

If I missed your point, my bad. Damnable epistemelogical detours. NT

Batman March 05, 2010 01:29AM

Re: Knowledge devoid of application is useless

Stevers March 04, 2010 03:14PM

A weak example, but I get your point. n/t

Stevers March 02, 2010 01:56PM

Jersey is the most terrible place on earth. That you don't want to leave is shocking to me. nt

Splntrd March 02, 2010 09:58AM

COSIGN. I equate Jersey to a circle of Hell. Haven't figured out which one yet. NT

Sam March 02, 2010 03:35PM

Your empircal evidence for this other than "my friends all say so?" (n/t)

Artificial March 02, 2010 10:05AM

Duh, you told us yourself. "because the internet said so". (n/t)

Graham March 02, 2010 12:32PM

Zing! (n/t)

PaulO March 02, 2010 12:52PM

Why should I provide evidence for my beliefs, when you didn't provide any for yours? nt

Splntrd March 02, 2010 10:50AM

You mean besides the air that smells like pee? n/t

Stevers March 02, 2010 10:23AM

Quite possibly they grow sick of looking at the same people, and not just the same places. (n/t)

Starscream March 02, 2010 09:01AM

Yeah. Never had that urge either. I understand wanting to leave the house, or something like that.

Batman March 02, 2010 09:00AM

Re:

PaulO March 02, 2010 12:23PM

Not necessarily. He could watch videos to LEARN about sex, how it works, etc. I don't think that requires he not do it, nor do I think it correctly relates to his ideas about travel. In one, you're receiving direct stimulation via some blood-filled nerve

Batman March 04, 2010 07:22AM

*cackle* (n/t)

Graham March 02, 2010 11:22PM

People like to lose their inhibitions when they are on vacation.

debriguy March 02, 2010 08:59AM

I dont enjoy those things. (n/t)

Artificial March 02, 2010 09:33AM

That's awesome man! -nt-

Mek March 02, 2010 08:45AM

Cool. Share some pictures when you get back. nt

The Forsaken(VIP) March 02, 2010 08:39AM

Re: Cool. Share some pictures when you get back. nt

katistrofik March 04, 2010 04:41AM



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