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Artificial
April 14, 2011 06:32PM
And I create an illusion of myself in my house, and you stab it with a knife, did you not intend to do harm to me?

You have the illusion of free will, therefore your "choices" are still indicative of your morality.
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So the religious thread below got me wondering. What's your opinion on the existance of free will?

(vಠ_ಠ)> AngryFatKid April 14, 2011 06:54AM

My beliefs vary day by day. Today I don't believe in the soul, so I don't believe free will can exist.

Death_Claw April 21, 2011 02:19PM

That's annoyingly inconsistent and your severe indecisiveness is definitely not an enviable trait. n/t

Stevers April 21, 2011 02:33PM

Isn't it? I don't know, I haven't found Jesus yet I guess. n/t

Death_Claw April 21, 2011 03:21PM

I think what it boils down to is I waffle between what I know and what I'd like to believe.

Death_Claw April 21, 2011 03:24PM

Maybe you will tomorrow. n/t

Stevers April 21, 2011 03:23PM

Philosophy and Physics

starbright April 17, 2011 04:18AM

I love the New Scientist.

istirith April 17, 2011 04:26AM

Re: So the religious thread below got me wondering. What's your opinion on the existance of free will?

demos April 15, 2011 08:34PM

Re: So the religious thread below got me wondering. What's your opinion on the existance of free will?

Isildur(VIP) April 15, 2011 02:32PM

It feels like I have free will, therefore I act like I have free will, therefore I have free will

morocco April 14, 2011 03:59PM

I've always believed in free will.

WarEagle April 14, 2011 02:59PM

100% free will is an illusion

Nightchild April 14, 2011 11:45AM

I don't think any of those examples can be used to argue the im/possibility of free will.

Starscream April 14, 2011 11:52AM

Re: I don't think any of those examples can be used to argue the im/possibility of free will.

Nightchild April 14, 2011 11:58AM

re: up to a point

Starscream April 14, 2011 12:01PM

Yes I believe in free will

reject-o April 14, 2011 10:34AM

I don't believe there is free will.

Starscream April 14, 2011 09:45AM

Re: I don't believe there is free will.

PaulO April 16, 2011 06:58AM

How would that not free you from responsibility?

(vಠ_ಠ)> AngryFatKid April 14, 2011 09:50AM

I don't likely think about fault in that sense.

Death_Claw April 21, 2011 02:22PM

"Can right and wrong exist when there is no choice?"

Matrik April 14, 2011 10:08AM

You silly atheists and your subjective morality. Jesus says right in the good book that killin is wrong! (n/t)

Artificial April 14, 2011 10:16AM

Those are all subjective.

Starscream April 14, 2011 09:56AM

Well of course they're subjective...but...

(vಠ_ಠ)> AngryFatKid April 14, 2011 06:29PM

If you want to kill me

Artificial April 14, 2011 06:32PM

My question is a bit more fundamental on this one

(vಠ_ಠ)> AngryFatKid April 14, 2011 06:41PM

(Mat 7:1) Judge not lest ye be judged.

Artificial April 14, 2011 06:49PM

So do you think morality would exist without a choice?

(vಠ_ಠ)> AngryFatKid April 14, 2011 06:51PM

Morality is what we collectively decide. It isnt objective.

Artificial April 14, 2011 06:57PM

I think in the second case I would FEEL like I did something wrong

(vಠ_ಠ)> AngryFatKid April 15, 2011 10:32AM

objectively you did nothing wrong, subjectively you believe you did.... (n/t)

Artificial April 15, 2011 10:54AM

So would you say morality rests entirely in the realm of the subjective? (n/t)

(vಠ_ಠ)> AngryFatKid April 17, 2011 11:15AM

Not possible

Rade April 14, 2011 09:43AM

Re: Not possible

Stevers April 14, 2011 09:46AM

Re: Not possible

Rade April 14, 2011 10:40AM

Re: Not possible

Stevers April 14, 2011 10:54AM

Re: Not possible

Rade April 14, 2011 11:07AM

Thanks for repeating yourself

Stevers April 14, 2011 11:09AM

What's not to understand?

Rade April 14, 2011 11:13AM

Where does diversity in chemical reactions come into play with this model?

Stevers April 14, 2011 12:04PM

Nature vs. nurture is a different philosophical discussion

Rade April 14, 2011 05:10PM

Yeah, but since Stevers made his observation, it totally changed how you're acting. n/t. (n/t)

Jib April 14, 2011 11:16AM

huh? nt

Rade April 14, 2011 11:22AM

A very cheesy quantum physics joke about observation affecting reality. (n/t)

Jib April 14, 2011 11:29AM

I see where this thread is currently, but I don't know where it's headed nt

Rade April 14, 2011 11:33AM

Downhill.

Starscream April 14, 2011 12:12PM

Agreed. n/t

Stevers April 14, 2011 12:13PM

Through careful analysis of each individual poster on the forums, I would be able to tell you right where this is heading. n/t

Stevers April 14, 2011 12:10PM

I thought it was funny. :) (n/t)

Starscream April 14, 2011 11:31AM

As a psychology guy...

Artificial April 14, 2011 09:28AM

I have no idea why...but this stood out to me in this post:

(vಠ_ಠ)> AngryFatKid April 14, 2011 06:49PM

Did what I could

Artificial April 15, 2011 04:43PM

The whole mind killing:

Batman April 14, 2011 09:37AM

Here is my take. Summary at the bottom if its "TLDR"

Matrik April 14, 2011 09:14AM

How would having "REAL" clairvoyance affect free will in this case?

(vಠ_ಠ)> AngryFatKid April 14, 2011 06:57PM

Because,

Matrik April 14, 2011 07:29PM

Its not a question of free will

enyuu April 14, 2011 08:02AM

Yes it is. It was a question of free will.

Stevers April 14, 2011 08:04AM

I was more or less saying

enyuu April 14, 2011 08:10AM

history is a meaningless concept to god

valkenar April 14, 2011 08:46AM

Uh.....

vortexmagus April 14, 2011 01:24PM

Re: history is a meaningless concept to god

Stevers April 14, 2011 08:53AM

Your metaphor doesn't make sense :-/ NT

Batman April 14, 2011 08:53AM

I understand now.

Stevers April 14, 2011 08:11AM

This is a tricky quesiton for me

Stevers April 14, 2011 07:52AM

Re: This is a tricky quesiton for me

enyuu April 14, 2011 08:17AM

Re: This is a tricky quesiton for me

Stevers April 14, 2011 08:28AM

No it doesn't make sense

valkenar April 14, 2011 08:52AM

I think you misunderstood, or I wasn't clear enough

Stevers April 14, 2011 08:54AM

While I can't necessarily say this is my view.

Batman April 14, 2011 08:28AM

What is your view?

Stevers April 14, 2011 08:30AM

You are a chemical robot

valkenar April 14, 2011 08:37AM