Ugh! UGH! UGH!

October 09, 2007 07:17AM
***** <br> <br> largest social welfare programs ever: [en.wikipedia.org] <br> <br> <br>There is so much wrong with the assumptions of many of the posts in this thread, that it boggles my mind and overloads my desire to reply to any of it, except this one. <br> <br> <br>There is a difference between the G.I. Bill, and nearly every single other government entitlement. <br> <br>1) In return for years of work and service that benefits the entire country, the government will *HELP* pay (not fully pay) to get you the training and education you need to make a living for YOURSELF! <br> <br>This, is teaching a man to fish. And is a proper use of government funds. <br> <br>2) In return for getting knocked up and not being married and being unemployed, the government will give you money every month, and food. Oh, and if you get married, you get less money. And if you get a job, you get less money. And if you have more kids, you get more money. Making even an idiot who can add 2+2 realize that it's better financially for the poor to pop out as many babies as possible without getting married or getting a job, just making inner cities worse, and costing the government more and more. <br> <br>This is giving a man a fish, promising to do so for the rest of his life, and destroying his desire to EVER fish for himself again. <br> <br>This is the pattern of nearly EVERY socialist goverment welfare program in existance. <br>
Subject Author Views Posted

American heritage and why Europeans don't understand

Rade 975 October 08, 2007 05:03PM

Query: Do you support public funding of elections? (nt)

ShroomKing 612 October 08, 2007 07:05PM

Irrelevant to his topic. n/t

Pro 533 October 08, 2007 07:51PM

I dont have a problem with personally funding candidates

hopelessdwarf 611 October 08, 2007 09:54PM

I don't have a strong opinion either way nt

Rade 656 October 09, 2007 01:38PM

Hear here! Well said and dead on! n/t

Pro 655 October 08, 2007 07:51PM

That's about right. nt

Scrimbul 687 October 08, 2007 08:10PM

American heritage and why americans don't understand.

Cenatar 669 October 08, 2007 10:28PM

Early US (puritannical) religion

ExPaladin 683 October 09, 2007 01:03AM

How widespread was this?

Cenatar 705 October 09, 2007 02:17AM

See my post above. We as Americans give our money/resources away

Pro 690 October 09, 2007 05:54AM

Hmmm

Cenatar 1363 October 09, 2007 07:44AM

Where as Americans do volunteer work.

Pro 628 October 09, 2007 12:26PM

Re: Where as Americans do volunteer work.

Cenatar 652 October 09, 2007 12:34PM

Okay. You're drunk on sardine juice. This concludes our debate. n/t

Pro 740 October 09, 2007 03:17PM

I was told this some twenty-five to thirty years ago

ExPaladin 607 October 09, 2007 06:28AM

Yeah

Cenatar 593 October 09, 2007 07:40AM

The concept was written about over 100 years ago

ExPaladin 748 October 09, 2007 08:50AM

While for the most part I agree

hopelessdwarf 809 October 09, 2007 08:01AM

Are you doing this on purpose? It's Uppercase A. American. n/t

Pro 631 October 09, 2007 05:53AM

In Finnish and Swedish grammar lowercase is used for nationalities and languages

DurNominator 691 October 09, 2007 06:04AM

Yeah, sorry Pro. Old

Cenatar 724 October 09, 2007 07:33AM

habits die hard (nt in this and above)

Cenatar 573 October 09, 2007 07:34AM

Thats funny you learn something new everyday! n/t

hopelessdwarf 611 October 09, 2007 07:57AM

Who knew?! n/t

Pro 655 October 09, 2007 12:22PM

I've always assumed it was an underhanded insult. n/t

Pro 580 October 09, 2007 12:23PM

There are some who describe you as slightly paranoid. n/t

Death_Claw 657 October 10, 2007 06:34AM

I know, they've been watching me for years. n/t

Pro 620 October 10, 2007 06:59AM

Ugh! UGH! UGH!

Odrirg 605 October 09, 2007 07:17AM

Democracy

DurNominator 688 October 08, 2007 11:10PM

Man, you are so brain washed.

Pro 566 October 09, 2007 05:52AM

Re: Man, you are so brain washed.

DurNominator 717 October 09, 2007 07:04AM

I disagree.

Death_Claw 656 October 09, 2007 07:23AM

I agree too. I have been worried sick about the success of my agents.

Pro 641 October 09, 2007 11:34AM

Selfish.

[TheForsaken-] 1273 October 09, 2007 07:23AM

Well said. n/t

Death_Claw 752 October 09, 2007 07:24AM

It is not two teams.

Cenatar 695 October 09, 2007 07:47AM

Sick kids.

[TheForsaken-] 673 October 09, 2007 08:05AM

Conversely...

Rade 585 October 09, 2007 01:16PM

Ha! Good point. nt

[TheForsaken-] 735 October 10, 2007 08:10AM

Re: It is not two teams.

Pro 668 October 09, 2007 11:32AM

Re: It is not two teams.

Cenatar 607 October 09, 2007 12:35PM

What is mean about it?

Pro 572 October 09, 2007 03:16PM

Maybe it's the positive attitude

DurNominator 766 October 09, 2007 11:33PM

Yep.

Pro 778 October 10, 2007 07:57AM

It does not work as placebo(nt)

Cenatar 575 October 10, 2007 01:19AM

Of course it does. It's spiritual sugar pills. n/t

Pro 559 October 10, 2007 06:57AM

Scientific studies does not support you(nt)

Cenatar 534 October 10, 2007 07:06AM

Actually they do.

Pro 582 October 10, 2007 07:55AM

The world you see relies on opportunities that often don't exist.

Yhorian 723 October 09, 2007 07:50AM

Agreed.

[TheForsaken-] 751 October 09, 2007 08:16AM

Exactly n/t

Lokain 647 October 09, 2007 11:04AM

Socialism removes opportunity. Period.

Pro 756 October 09, 2007 11:31AM

Since when?

Graham 728 October 09, 2007 11:36AM

When it levels the value of your efforts.

Pro 673 October 09, 2007 12:01PM

What?

Cenatar 719 October 09, 2007 12:31PM

Not like the current system in the USA.

Pro 668 October 09, 2007 01:06PM

Not at all.

Cenatar 682 October 09, 2007 01:26PM

It's the slippery slope.

Pro 684 October 09, 2007 03:15PM

It stops to a system where people think that it works nicely.

DurNominator 668 October 09, 2007 10:40PM

It never stops. It never has. n/t

Pro 782 October 10, 2007 04:52AM

You seriously need to read up on communism and the history of it(nt)

Cenatar 644 October 10, 2007 07:04AM

I have. And I've done it from the outside looking in.

Pro 776 October 10, 2007 07:54AM

What? You think Sweden has been a communist country or what?(nt)

Cenatar 550 October 10, 2007 07:58AM

Pro is funny n/t

Graham 772 October 10, 2007 09:15AM

Socialism is not. n/t

Pro 694 October 10, 2007 09:46AM

Socialism / Communism, you're never quite sure which one you hate are you? ~

Graham 712 October 10, 2007 11:37AM

They are two shades of the same color. --> Servitude. n/t

Pro 648 October 10, 2007 05:16PM

How are they servitude?

DurNominator 699 October 10, 2007 09:34PM

Just before the patriot act? (nt)

Cenatar 667 October 10, 2007 12:13AM

I think you're considering some sort of communism.

Graham 607 October 09, 2007 12:51PM

Other way to put it

DurNominator 692 October 09, 2007 10:24PM

I THINK I can elaborate on Pro's point

hopelessdwarf 666 October 10, 2007 12:34PM

Nailed it. n/t

Pro 754 October 10, 2007 10:51PM

But when you look at the countries you realise that it's bullshit, i get you ~

Graham 730 October 11, 2007 01:36PM

A-FUCKING-MEN.

Blackbird 614 October 09, 2007 04:14PM

I disagree.

Death_Claw 542 October 10, 2007 04:59AM

Re: I disagree.

DurNominator 679 October 11, 2007 06:01AM

Sounds pretty easy to me

Rade 716 October 11, 2007 08:14AM

Maybe, but New York is his home terrain. nt

DurNominator 794 October 11, 2007 08:40AM

Its not that terribly difficult. Socialism has made you weak. n/t

Death_Claw 693 October 16, 2007 10:42AM

Easy.

Death_Claw 654 October 16, 2007 10:49AM

Because many of them are so ridiculously rich, they can afford to. nt

Yhorian 647 October 09, 2007 07:53AM

There is no such thing as rediculously rich. n/t

Pro 601 October 09, 2007 11:28AM

Are you doing this on purpose?! It's I not E. Ridiculous! :P n/t

Lokain 563 October 09, 2007 01:08PM

Touche! n/t

Pro 521 October 09, 2007 03:14PM

Also, note that these voluntary aid programs are also a form of socialism

DurNominator 593 October 09, 2007 10:26PM

No they aren't. Stop stretching. Your vagina will tear. n/t

Pro 545 October 10, 2007 06:57AM

Ok, we can agree that it's communistic instead. :P

DurNominator 542 October 10, 2007 09:11AM

Communal is not Communist.

Pro 1266 October 10, 2007 03:44PM

A large difference between the United States and Europe.

Death_Claw 603 October 09, 2007 07:19AM

Even last week those crazy Europeans were complaining about the dollar.

[TheForsaken-] 622 October 09, 2007 07:31AM

Democracy vs Representative Democracy

Rade 562 October 09, 2007 01:48PM

This is even more appalling. Please take social studies classes again. nt

Nivek 565 October 09, 2007 05:29PM

Regarding Americans, American businesses, and charity

Rade 573 October 09, 2007 01:05PM

Democracy is a way of making decisions; Narcissism is about ME. ~

Chalupah 672 October 09, 2007 03:14PM

The American Dream is about personal achievement nt

Rade 719 October 09, 2007 03:33PM

It is?(nt)

Cenatar 715 October 10, 2007 12:17AM

Yep. 100% true n/t

Pro 651 October 10, 2007 04:48AM

Ok, it has varied a lot over time so I was just asking.(nt)

Cenatar 611 October 10, 2007 07:05AM

No, it really hasn't.

Pro 706 October 10, 2007 07:53AM

I'm curious what you think other versions of the American Dream have been?

ExPaladin 672 October 11, 2007 04:52AM

Well

Cenatar 810 October 11, 2007 09:38PM

I'd argue home-ownership was just a different way of defining success

ExPaladin 687 October 15, 2007 05:18AM

Yes.

Cenatar 617 October 15, 2007 08:05AM

Its not necessary.

Death_Claw 768 October 16, 2007 10:56AM

The American Dream -- defined

Rade 633 October 11, 2007 04:41AM

That's not the same as some have spouted on this forum.

DurNominator 715 October 11, 2007 06:17AM

Additionally

DurNominator 596 October 11, 2007 06:34AM

Why catch those that fall? Seems unnecessary. n/t

Death_Claw 698 October 16, 2007 10:39AM

Socialism is antithesis to Democracy nt

Rade 686 October 11, 2007 08:08AM

Depends on what definitions are used.

DurNominator 596 October 11, 2007 08:40AM

Also.. Freedom is about individual choice nt

Rade 809 October 09, 2007 03:41PM

Rade, that second paragraph is appalling. nt

Nivek 511 October 09, 2007 05:24PM

Also, to the non US citizens reading this forum.

Nivek 630 October 09, 2007 05:28PM

U.S. Citizens don't say cheers. Go home you Limey. n/t

Pro 693 October 09, 2007 07:24PM

And don't forget to get some fish and chips on your way back! n/t

Vladamir 540 October 09, 2007 08:53PM

He may not speak for you, but I don't think he missed the mark by much

ExPaladin 657 October 10, 2007 02:35AM

It wasn't intended to represent everyone nt

Rade 517 October 11, 2007 04:36AM

Why so?

Scrimbul 714 October 09, 2007 06:44PM

The first half is opinion. The second is inaccurate. nt

Nivek 543 October 10, 2007 04:23PM

Only if you are an Un-American Fuck. n/t

Pro 497 October 10, 2007 05:15PM

No true scotsman?(nt)

Cenatar 597 October 10, 2007 09:41PM

Good thing I am neither American, nor a Fuck. nt

Nivek 1350 October 11, 2007 12:29PM

Ok, maybe I am a fuck. I am, however, not UN-American. nt

Nivek 701 October 11, 2007 12:30PM

Well, if you're going to be vague, I call faggot.

Scrimbul 624 October 10, 2007 07:31PM

Call me what you wish. That, too, is opinion. Not fact.

Nivek 629 October 11, 2007 12:26PM

Part of teaching for a living...

Scrimbul 684 October 11, 2007 03:47PM

Re: Part of teaching for a living...

Nivek 616 October 11, 2007 03:57PM

Re: Call me what you wish. That, too, is opinion. Not fact.

Isildur 766 October 15, 2007 05:31AM

In all honesty, the way this threads going. I actually like some of you now.

Pro 518 October 10, 2007 03:00PM

&quot;Why america is so geat&quot; essays stopped being the rage in 4th grade n/t

Kadsuane 747 October 10, 2007 04:55PM

Aced my doctorate dissertation with one of those. n/t

Death_Claw 589 October 11, 2007 04:16AM

The University of Phoenix has a doctoral program?n/t

jegec 785 October 11, 2007 02:25PM

Heheheh. n/t

Death_Claw 651 October 15, 2007 06:44AM

Your response shows your own bias

Rade 618 October 11, 2007 05:19AM



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