> The exact quote from me was the following: <br>> <br>> "Do I think science has a place in our schools? Maybe. I'm not sure it deserves the place it currently *has* in our schools." <br>> <br> <br>You just implied, right there, with that 'Maybe', that science does not have ANY place in our schools. <br> <br>I don't know if you did it on purpose, but this is a pretty fucking common spin tactic. Say something which has ridiculous implications, to reframe the debate, and then offer something "more rational" which just happens to be your point. <br> <br> <br>> <br>> There's a vast gap of difference between what I said and what you have imagined that I have said. <br> <br>No. <br> <br> In fact, in my opinion, our science curriculum tries to teach too much in too short of a period of time with aim of having a broad "general understanding" of science. <br> <br>Look at what you just wrote: "<i>In fact, in my opinion</i>", implies that I must have misunderstood what you're saying. <br> <br>This is a common tactic when confronted with one's own words - reframe the discussion, TO IMPLY that the opponent didn't understand what you were saying. <br> <br>I did understand it - perhaps you didn't. Or perhaps you were (subconsciously?) trying to slip in a jab, via suggestion. <br> <br> <br>>The net result, is a non-existent understanding whatsoever of science. And studies regarding the retention rate of that information confirm as much. <br> <br>These two statements do not connect. By poor wording, you're saying that STUDIES CONFIRM your statement that there is NO UNDERSTANDING of science. <br> <br>That is a complete, total lie - and you know it. So, you will respond by saying, "no no - studies confirm that we are teaching too much, too fast." <br> <br>Except that your words, are deliberately (or subconsciously) spun to <b>imply</b> a complete lie - which conveniently, backs up your thesis. <br> <br> <br> > Furthermore, I question why it is placed of higher importance than reasoning & financial management, both of which are necessities to make good choices in life. <br>> <br> <br>See, now that you've spun the attack away from any merit, you go on to suggest further - that it's not that you're against it, it's just that other things which are VITAL. spin spin spin. <br> <br>> But that is besides the point. The point is that you read what I wrote and imagined a meaning totally different than what was written. <br> <br> <br>And bring it home - "I'm just a poor misunderstood Republican, and your blind prejudices completely misinterpreted what I wrote!" <br> <br> <br>No, Death_Claw, the point is - I know how to read, and I've studied hypnosis and NLP, and follow politics, and you are following the style that has been prevalent in right wing writing lately. <br> <br>It's a style that spins and lies very persuasively, and I'm calling you out on it.