I don't dispute that PK edgepoints is bad (promotes bad behaviour and inequality) but IMM rewards are also bad

January 16, 2016 12:29PM
On the inefficiency of IMM oversight:

People who play non-US times don't get rewarded as much, statistically speaking.

IMMs are going to need to code up some system which triggers upon hours played, PKs achieved, etc., and automatically review the player in question so they don't "miss" a player who plays odd times.

It's like creating a set of laws where you give judges full discretionary + subjective power over outcomes, instead of giving a general set of principles on which peoplecan rely. Rule of law is a great idea because of predictability, and I think the same principles apply to governing a game. Even assuming that IMMs want to be fair (I certainly think they do want to be fair in general), they're only human. We are intentionally introducing human error into a system which need not have human error, and this human error doesn't increase average happiness amongst players either.

Now I have to think, when making a powerful character, "Will the IMMs notice me and like me enough to reward me?". I don't think it's a good situation. It only creates unpredictability and breeds resentment amongst players who didn't get rewarded enough, and doesn't compensate for it by making great happiness amongst over-rewarded players. It's the curse of uncertainty. People are by nature risk-averse, that's why we have insurance companies.


On equality:

I agree that vets do not need more rewarding. I think the solution is to give a fixed X edge points (equal to what you get for 50 PKs) to ALL players. Remove OBS and explore grind. Give an average reward to all.

We can enforce equality without resorting to imperfect, administratively burdensome methods.


On diversity and legendary characters:

If we want "legendary" powerful characters, we can allow players to indicate that they wish to apply to be such characters, upon which they are required to get X hours/PKs/etc. to reach tier 1, Y hours/PKs/etc. to reach tier 2, etc., with each tier having fixed rewards.

So we have base characters (equal), and various legendary tiers as recognition that a game with diversity in power levels can be more enjoyable.
Subject Author Posted

Note to IMMORTALS: Give out more IMM exp, like you said you would, and everyone will be happy. That is all.

Frosty January 16, 2016 09:35AM

Re: Note to IMMORTALS: Give out more IMM exp, like you said you would, and everyone will be happy. That is all.

orbain January 18, 2016 03:23AM

We need to dissociate rewards from character success or personal fun.

Murphy January 22, 2016 10:50PM

The amount of people trying to farm DESC exp is hilarious to me. Suddenly descriptions need to be divided into chapters. n/t

jalim January 17, 2016 02:31PM

If it provides incentive to people to think out their chars, what's wrong with that? (n/t)

faristil January 19, 2016 12:17PM

If you get [Hit Return to continue] when you look at someone it's too much. (n/t)

wrathpuppet January 19, 2016 12:20PM

You can avoid that by adjusting in-game scroll with the scroll command. Help scroll for more info while in game. nt

dalneko January 19, 2016 01:13PM

My desc is like that. I didn't even know you could get XP for it :D

QBert January 17, 2016 04:41PM

Heh. Seriously? NT

Sam January 17, 2016 04:04PM

All you need is two boot for bobcat (n/t)

Demtok January 17, 2016 03:53PM

Smile and cast a magic. (n/t)

Murphy January 17, 2016 11:51PM

I'm not sure IMMxp is the answer. (Crackpot idea within)

iunna January 16, 2016 06:01PM

As an old-schooler just logging in for first time in months, this idea is great exciting idea- nt-

icthaen January 23, 2016 04:33PM

This is the most creative, reasonable and constructive idea to manage the edge problem I've heard yet. (n/t)

zen January 17, 2016 06:39AM

Re: This is the most creative, reasonable and constructive idea to manage the edge problem I've heard yet.

Isildur(VIP) January 17, 2016 11:11AM

Yeah.

iunna January 17, 2016 12:07PM

better if it only allowed you to give thumbs up....no thumbs down. Then people would spread the vote more wisely. (n/t)

abernyte January 17, 2016 11:41AM

Or get separate votes, e.g. you can do 3 thumb-ups and 3 thumb-downs. (n/t)

Murphy January 17, 2016 05:20PM

You could just do this via pray as it is. (n/t)

iunna January 19, 2016 02:22PM

It's what I do! NT

Sam January 19, 2016 05:53PM

Do we trust the playerbase not to abuse the hell out of this?

daurwyn(VIP) January 19, 2016 08:02AM

Re: Do we trust the playerbase not to abuse the hell out of this?

iunna January 19, 2016 02:20PM

Yeah, there is enough sheistyness as it is already. (n/t)

NbM(VIP) January 19, 2016 02:21PM

Rewarding "bad" RP

Ayathkiran January 19, 2016 01:59PM

You're such an idea thief. n/t

jalim January 17, 2016 11:17AM

Also I can time travel. Be careful I don't Sara Conner your ass. nt

Isildur(VIP) January 17, 2016 11:22AM

Helps manage my concern that only those who pray get recognised (n/t)

Graham January 17, 2016 06:00AM

I've thought ideas like this could work but need to be very carefully implemented. NT

Sam January 16, 2016 07:31PM

You just need to change your perspective...

saagkri January 16, 2016 05:51PM

It's both. (n/t)

Frosty January 17, 2016 09:24AM

Alright... own up to it: Who multkilled Umiron's mortal for edge points????

Rhyaldrin January 16, 2016 11:52AM

Trick question..he doesn't actually play the game. n/t

jalim January 17, 2016 03:16AM

The problem isn't more edges, it is having IMMs be the gatekeepers of edge points

starbright January 16, 2016 11:31AM

No, the problem is they SAID they would dole out more IMM exp when they nerfed edge points without actually DOING so.

Frosty January 16, 2016 12:09PM

You should have known they wouldn't... It isn't like this is the first time...

laearrist January 16, 2016 12:45PM

I never expected them too, and griped at the time that they don't have the man(IMM)power to back it up. Alls I'm sayin'zis, I'm just sayin'.

Frosty January 16, 2016 12:51PM

Re: The problem isn't more edges, it is having IMMs be the gatekeepers of edge points

Isildur(VIP) January 16, 2016 11:46AM

I don't dispute that PK edgepoints is bad (promotes bad behaviour and inequality) but IMM rewards are also bad

starbright January 16, 2016 12:29PM

One thing...

Sam January 16, 2016 07:34PM

Automation and objectivity would remove the bad parts I mentioned and I can support what you suggested (n/t)

starbright January 17, 2016 04:11AM



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