There's a number of reasons people left initially

April 03, 2019 10:31AM
I found CF tedious, kind of dull, and ultimately repetitive (oddly enough the only thing I found interesting was playing the same build over and over, cause I liked it and always hated trying new ones) in terms of how CF played out. I did have moments of fun, but those became increasingly sparse over time. But I think okay, am I willing to put up with the more tedious aspect of CF to hero a char, to play CF with maybe 5 other heroes on a good night?
Hell no. A lot of my fun came from the interactions with other players, and without a sizable enough base, it was not sustainable. Getting into a PK with the same pool of 3 enemies literally every night for a month, just bleh.

Would I be more willing to deal with the tedium if the end game is more appealing, say 15-20 players in a more dynamic environment? Maybe.
The appeal of CF, on all levels, be it RP or PK, is a social one. That requires a decent society to engage with.

I'm not saying it's a fix for the root cause for all players, or even a majority of them, but I think a lot of the real reason people left CF (besides RL constraints, which I have as well) is the game was not as fun and so harder to justify the time commitment for. I believe the ability to have fun in CF is largely derived from having more players. Who really cares that they can't have 30 edges anymore? What good is even having a char with 30 edges when there is nobody to do anything with?
More players = more PK and RP opportunities, more ease for ranking, more interesting cabal dynamics, more turnover in characters. It's a better environment, which means some of the other flaws of CF are no longer as glaring.

Sure, there are still inherent flaws in CF's design, administration and in certain griefing douchebag players. Some people found (insert EP change, Umi's a dick, Dest is a dick, Jalim stole my shinies, ranking is too slow, throw is BS, bat is BS, and whatever else) to be the reason they left, but I think a lot of the reason those people really left stem from the net effect of CF not being as fun. Would players who left cause of the EP change (probably a knee jerk reaction) still care about the EP change years later? Maybe not, but are they going to want to return to a now 10-15 player environment? I doubt it. But a 25-35, maybe so.
Moreover, if CF had 50 players at the time, would they still have left? In the balancing act of whether to commit time to CF, there is a line we all have where playerbase/environment provides enough of a positive to act as a counterweight to the negatives we see in CF. I had a blast playing Zannon, who lost every PK, never landed a kill, and did not know how to get to any cabal for 300 hours, just because of the diversity of the other players. If that environment remained, I'd still be playing today, despite all my other hang ups about CF.

Point being people tend to have nostalgia for CF, no matter the reason they left, but when that itch returns, and they see the state of CF is in the crapper countwise, they just pass on it. New players are rare. Returning players are less so, but they need a reason to come back, and a reason to stay when they do. All the old shit that they disliked is likely still there, so there would have to be something to balance that out. I honestly think the PB is one of the only things that can be done to help that.

I have no idea what would entice people to come back to CF, but the one thing that players can control is the count of people playing.

Who would return to CF if they knew that, in no specific order and I have no idea who among them might still even play, they knew for a fact that
the following people were all actively playing CF again. I'm leaving off people I believe still play like Jalim. (and I don't know which of these handles are duplicates or if any of them still actually paly)
JMC, Trip, Orb, Vortex, Starbright, lightmage, hopelessD, demtok, quas, Jerry (cause we need him), Wrathpuppet, Borkahd, Marcus, Elhe
NBM, Alex, torak, Sam, batman, Balrahd, Battlecharmed, Graatch, Deriveh

I am pretty sure I would roll up today. I might con die in a month, but it would be a fun month. And then I would roll something new.

Anyway, this is way too long a response, but that's my theory for helping CF with no Imm involvement necessary.
Of course, I don't play, so I am just as much part of the problem.
Subject Author Posted

Got the itch, logs on to see avg 13 players online. Itch gone

Ghurzal April 01, 2019 09:41AM

there was a huge discord session today. we were all there. most CF fun i've had in years

The Forsaken(VIP) April 09, 2019 05:12PM

I wanna play...

ekirhal April 11, 2019 03:49AM

Re: I wanna play...

Kstatida April 11, 2019 04:29AM

Honestly I had more fun in that conversation than CF has given me in years. (n/t)

Shams April 10, 2019 02:46AM

You assholes had me lolling for real. (n/t)

wrathpuppet April 10, 2019 03:02AM

well, my keebler elf is ready to rock n roll. got some fine leather too. nt

The Forsaken(VIP) April 10, 2019 04:19AM

Airqua Force Blunder Man was the best thing I've heard all week. (n/t)

Shams April 10, 2019 04:00AM

Re: Airqua Force Blunder Man was the best thing I've heard all week.

Telufial April 10, 2019 06:07AM

If everyone who bitched about numbers played...

wasted April 04, 2019 02:55PM

No.

The_Joker April 05, 2019 12:37PM

Re: No.

wasted April 06, 2019 08:56AM

You're assuming a "guest" is a CF player. (n/t)

The_Joker April 07, 2019 07:15AM

It cannot; I'm in the same boat; alright, let's CF! Logon - 12 people online, 1 person (rager) in my range; let's wait for someone else to logon; 15 minutes later - crickets; logoff (n/t)

Noone of significance April 02, 2019 02:28PM

Hey how about you quit bitching and fill that room up. n/t

jalim April 02, 2019 03:59PM

I think one way to help CF

zannon April 03, 2019 03:13AM

Ehh

The_Joker April 03, 2019 09:04AM

anecdote. i just spent like a week at level 35 with no on in range

The Forsaken(VIP) April 04, 2019 04:50AM

That range is quite well populated

daurwyn April 04, 2019 11:31AM

Here we go...

saagkri April 04, 2019 11:54AM

Re: Here we go...

asker April 10, 2019 05:08AM

This is wrong on so many levels

Kstatida April 10, 2019 10:44PM

Re: Here we go...

saagkri April 10, 2019 05:49AM

Re: Here we go...

asker April 10, 2019 07:14AM

Re: Here we go...

Kstatida April 11, 2019 02:41AM

Re: Here we go...

asker April 11, 2019 06:37AM

Here we have the root of the problem

Kstatida April 11, 2019 10:29AM

Re: Here we have the root of the problem

asker April 11, 2019 11:43AM

Re: Here we have the root of the problem

Kstatida April 11, 2019 10:45PM

Re: Here we have the root of the problem

saagkri April 11, 2019 01:39PM

The two issues with that are

daurwyn April 12, 2019 08:09AM

That's annoying regardless of gear.

saagkri April 12, 2019 08:43AM

No. Sharing information is OP especially if an IMM might be playing the mortal so you have to learn everything on your own.

jalim April 12, 2019 08:57AM

It's pretty ironic...

saagkri April 12, 2019 09:01AM

Things gets shared IC

zannon April 12, 2019 09:35AM

An IMM specifically said that one reason ST was closed was due to info sharing and he did not differentiate between OOC and IC. (n/t)

saagkri April 12, 2019 10:00AM

He should have just called the place FIGHT CLUB TOWER. (n/t)

Frosty April 12, 2019 11:31AM

Yep. Don't share shit except for people you trust, and you do that OOC. n/t

jalim April 12, 2019 09:25AM

Filthy Casuals (n/t)

wrathpuppet April 11, 2019 03:07AM

So, you think the IMMs were lying?

saagkri April 10, 2019 11:30PM

Re: So, you think the IMMs were lying?

asker April 11, 2019 06:33AM

"...then you had a pretty narrow interest in CF to begin with."

saagkri April 10, 2019 07:38AM

Pretty much spot on. Wanting to control how other people have fun got us here.

kadsuane April 06, 2019 11:30AM

IMMs Hate Him: How to Fix CF With One Simple Trick

wrathpuppet April 06, 2019 02:49PM

Re: IMMs Hate Him: How to Fix CF With One Simple Trick

Frosty April 06, 2019 03:14PM

This is correct analysis (n/t)

Kstatida April 05, 2019 02:17AM

But offsetting that

daurwyn April 04, 2019 10:08PM

Re: Here we go...

Quas April 04, 2019 03:52PM

The problem wasn't there

Kstatida April 05, 2019 02:20AM

Shit. I think they only read roles for role contests now.

jalim April 05, 2019 04:11AM

This matches my experience

daurwyn April 05, 2019 06:41PM

Hometown caps were a big deal...

saagkri April 04, 2019 06:07PM

Re: Hometown caps were a big deal...

PacMan April 04, 2019 10:43PM

That was a lot of fun, thanks! Never got it on another char. (n/t)

saagkri April 04, 2019 11:53PM

Those areas were both closed

daurwyn April 04, 2019 10:11PM

So you prove the point instead of countering it :)

Kstatida April 05, 2019 02:22AM

Overriding point is

daurwyn April 05, 2019 11:17AM

D, comparing multikilling to those other things is stupid and you should feel bad for attempting that. You miss the point by trying to argue your point.

Frosty April 05, 2019 12:04PM

It's not as bad

daurwyn April 05, 2019 06:43PM

Jesus fucking christ dude I know, stop trying to overexplain every god damn thing.

Frosty April 05, 2019 09:43PM

Typos are down to predictive text

daurwyn April 06, 2019 12:08AM

Dude, you doubled down and compared multikilling to people who roll up stealth classes.

Frosty April 06, 2019 09:27AM

Re: Dude, you doubled down and compared multikilling to people who roll up stealth classes.

daurwyn April 08, 2019 08:29AM

I stopped reading after your first sentence.

Frosty April 08, 2019 08:35AM

I feel like Daurwyn is right on this one. n/t

jalim April 06, 2019 12:36AM

Here's Galadon in '96 vs. Galadon in '06

saagkri April 04, 2019 06:41PM

This, this soooooo hard. (n/t)

Frosty April 04, 2019 02:04PM

There's a number of reasons people left initially

zannon April 03, 2019 10:31AM

Re: There's a number of reasons people left initially

deriveh August 21, 2019 04:16AM

Re: There's a number of reasons people left initially

Borkahd June 19, 2019 05:41PM

Came back after 8 years and there were 9 people on

madglee June 30, 2019 03:17PM

Re: Came back after 8 years and there were 9 people on

daurwyn June 30, 2019 05:00PM

Oh cool had no idea nt (n/t)

madglee July 01, 2019 11:04AM

I don’t see myself returning soon

Quas April 03, 2019 03:23PM

I'm watching league of legends go through the same thigns as cf.

trewyn April 18, 2019 06:16PM

Focus on being a good dad. There's a shortage of them in every country on the planet.

Frosty April 03, 2019 05:23PM

i eat groups for dinner (n/t)

Quas April 03, 2019 06:39PM

Not anymore.

Frosty April 03, 2019 08:46PM

Fake News: You stopped because you missed me (n/t)

wrathpuppet April 03, 2019 02:46PM

We know who left first.

zannon April 04, 2019 02:33AM

What alternate routes lol?

wrathpuppet April 05, 2019 07:50AM

In the time you took to write that post you could have heroed a char

HairyOrangutan April 03, 2019 01:48PM

Yeah, Imms play a big part

zannon April 04, 2019 02:24AM

So it seems. (n/t)

The_Joker April 03, 2019 03:51PM

No, that's a good post.

The_Joker April 03, 2019 01:43PM

Yeah, but maybe you'd try

zannon April 04, 2019 02:29AM

Re: Got the itch, logs on to see avg 13 players online. Itch gone

Frosty April 01, 2019 10:10AM

I Will see if more players comes duing emnon’s quest thing

Ghurzal April 01, 2019 09:44PM

You always use that excuse but I've seen you RP well. You focus way too much on gear and then you get angry and then you get bitchy.

Frosty April 02, 2019 06:06AM

Re: You always use that excuse but I've seen you RP well. You focus way too much on gear and then you get angry and then you get bitchy.

Ghurzal April 02, 2019 09:40PM



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