Re: No, you probably don't.

January 30, 2008 12:19PM
Bard resist 33% (for the other partner it's roughly 25%) for 15 ticks or so
Village resist 40% for 8 ticks or so
For shits and giggles, the assassin has martial trance. +50% for 6-8 ticks without stalks. (this match is going to be even less fun if the assassin was smart and stalked the bard before beginning the fight.)

vs.

Bard resist 33% for 15 ticks
Stone skin 25% for 10 ticks
Aura 20-25% for 15-18 ticks
shield 15-20% for 15-18 ticks
misc. other partner

The bard cannot grant the same damage reduction to his ally, that is up to his ally's skill and preparations. The village pair has equal dam redux on both partners, so we're not even talking about a damage race. If you think this is a race to who can deal out annihilates, you're cracked, the answer is neither of them can with this arrangement. The damage reduction is so close here you're simply going to lose regardless of whichever side you're on if you think the damage reduction is going to matter for either side, the answer is: massive for the village side and anywhere from mediocre to massive for the non-village side.

So outdamaging is right out, even with fiend.

Next, either one or both of the villagers will have bloodthirst. Since the bard isn't stupid, he's likely not a zerker (ask Kasty how painfully underpowered zerker bard would be he's already gone over the subject) and the assassin already has abilities close to a defender's so he's probably a zerker. Ideally the bard is a defender but most probably the bard is a scout in this situation. The arena fights last short enough that battle fatigue should never be an issue so now you've got a hasted assassin that has more than enough extra strikes to fight through the ones lost to symphonic echoes. Toss in random tiger claws for kicks, or even better, a nice fat wrist breaking kotegaeshi so the bard does keep singing, he just sucks and you can probably ignore even the pitiful maladictions. Strike 2 versus non-village bard.

I wasn't great, but I played village (scout)bard, I'm well aware of how a bard lands PK's but more importantly I'm painfully aware of the fact that landing kills with a bard is only slightly easier than landing kills with a paladin and that even in the best of times (symphonic echoes, damage reduction) bash kills bards. Add in damage reduction in any situation and you get rid of the bard's best asset: two round annihilates.

Finally, when it comes to anything regarding villagers except parity, you have to admit, pintose would be fully aware of how fast fights go wrong for the aggressor when fighting villagers, especially in group v. group. The other miscellaneous partner that isn't an invoker is screwed in this case ,and even if he is an invoker, you still have spellbane and can simply ignore him till the number 1 target with arguably the most weaknesses that can possibly go wrong/be exploited for them in combat in the game (non-village bard), dies.

This gets difficult if the non-village pair has resist mental, but not impossible. A village assassin has plenty of ways to fuck up a pair solo even if he's just spamming RPK. The only way you can make this match messy is ensure your partner has enough damage reduction to survive the flying maladicts and massive damage output to make the extra ticks on the damage reduction work. Not going to happen if the village bard wants you asleep or lagged and the village assassin wants your offhand gone or strength gone.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/30/2008 12:21PM by scrimbul.
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Arena Competition: Best theoretical duo?

Yhorian(VIP) January 29, 2008 06:41AM

2 svirf axe zerkers psh that 4 room thing makes them OP in arena

pintose January 30, 2008 05:49AM

You can't blackjack or hide in the Arena guys. n/t

jalim January 30, 2008 03:45AM

GOOD THING SEBEOK UPDATED THE GAME TO ALLOW SLEEP AFFECTS TO BE USED IN THERE HUH JACKASS?

Scrimbul January 30, 2008 04:56AM

Don't be that guy

NeverMindTheWarlocks January 30, 2008 05:53AM

I'm home sick. For the next month. What else do you want me to do?

Scrimbul January 30, 2008 11:33AM

For starters, grow up and stop being a dick.

theepic January 30, 2008 09:06PM

Stop being such a baby.

Death_Claw February 02, 2008 07:50AM

I'm fine, thanks. If you hadn't noticed that's how humor goes on this forum like it nor not, emoticonless. nt

Scrimbul January 31, 2008 04:11AM

Strange, I see alot of funny stuff that - text

theepic January 31, 2008 07:00PM

You just hurt my feelings. =(

jalim January 30, 2008 05:47AM

According to the post, the 8th, so like 2 or 3 weeks ago? nt

Scrimbul January 30, 2008 11:33AM

Felar assassin + Magic using l33tskilled bard close second, shaman + thug n/t

Guy January 30, 2008 12:47AM

Dark elf transmuter and cloud giant sword mace berserker nt

NbM January 29, 2008 04:14PM

Bleh, Sword hand, HAND!! berserker nt

NbM January 29, 2008 06:24PM

How would you stop your teammates' infighting?

NeverMindTheWarlocks January 30, 2008 05:57AM

best theoretical duo nt

NbM January 30, 2008 01:12PM

Village bard + village warrior (maybe assassin)

alansmithee January 29, 2008 03:42PM

non village bard can solo them n/t

Elhe January 29, 2008 03:57PM

Nah, not if they do it right. nt

alansmithee January 29, 2008 06:08PM

I think I know it better ;)

Elhe January 29, 2008 11:32PM

I love you Taeliny, but... that's just all wrong.

alansmithee January 30, 2008 05:09PM

There was a log where bard (eoria)

Elhe January 30, 2008 06:19PM

Re: I think I know it better ;)

daurwyn(VIP) January 30, 2008 01:34PM

No, you probably don't.

Scrimbul January 30, 2008 05:17AM

when is the last Villager you played, and last bard you played?

theepic January 30, 2008 09:28PM

Took me a minute to dig it up. You brought up some memories.

Scrimbul January 31, 2008 06:51PM

Ok, so around 3 years. some text.

theepic January 31, 2008 07:16PM

The only thing I'm saying, though it sounds louder...

Scrimbul February 01, 2008 02:17PM

Depends who you are fighting

daurwyn(VIP) January 31, 2008 11:45AM

Agreed 100% but this whole point was about nonvillage bard vs village bard not anything else.

theepic January 31, 2008 07:03PM

Yep! n/t

Elhe January 31, 2008 01:12PM

Re: No, you probably don't.

Cerunnir(VIP) January 30, 2008 06:04AM

You know the arena is tiny right?

istirith January 30, 2008 12:32PM

Re: No, you probably don't.

Scrimbul January 30, 2008 12:19PM

You haven't played a villager recently. I can't take you serious. NT

Sam January 30, 2008 04:27PM

you try running around in 4 rooms against thirsting ragers nt

pintose January 30, 2008 09:19AM

Even better. They'll be murder lagged from thirst. nt

The Forsaken(VIP) January 30, 2008 02:07PM

yes make it a pure melee fight for the thirsting villager, he doesn't want that nt

pintose January 31, 2008 01:33PM

Add in a pole-spec and you've got an arena full-o-comedy! nt

Yhorian(VIP) January 31, 2008 05:32AM

Elhe did play a ass kicking bard. And was the villager bard in said theoretical, dude. :P nt

Yhorian(VIP) January 30, 2008 05:33AM

I'm aware of the bard's weaknesses as well as he is.

Scrimbul January 30, 2008 12:12PM

bard voker imho

daurwyn(VIP) January 29, 2008 03:05PM

Anaconda/Ram and full binder. NT

Sam January 29, 2008 04:02PM

Why anaconda? You'd want a cobra or crocodile for regen with modern shifters. nt

Yhorian(VIP) January 29, 2008 04:35PM

as posted by zulg, anaconda is no longer a form for the moment

pintose January 30, 2008 07:12AM

No, it's just you can't get it anymore. If you had it before, you're gravy. NT

Sam January 30, 2008 04:29PM

Can anacondas still insta kill? (nt)

cointreau January 29, 2008 05:32PM

Anaconda constrict still wakes people who are asleep by someone else.

Scrimbul January 29, 2008 06:31PM

Only problem is it relies on blackjack hitting.

Death_Claw January 30, 2008 03:30AM

Dash fails about as often as blackjack succeeds.

Scrimbul January 30, 2008 05:02AM

Pincer thief;#50 !; n/t

Death_Claw January 30, 2008 05:08AM

srsly you fail

Scrimbul January 30, 2008 05:12AM

Heheh, that's why its challenging though.

Death_Claw January 30, 2008 05:18AM

It is far more likely to put together a lethal combo than it is to encounter said combo's counter.

Scrimbul January 30, 2008 05:24AM

That's a pretty sweet idea. Though how are you going to bind two opponents in one blackjack timer? nt

Yhorian(VIP) January 29, 2008 07:13PM

Technically you only need bind legs.

Scrimbul January 29, 2008 09:00PM

Wait, I know what you mean.

cointreau January 29, 2008 07:47PM

Yes. But not on sleeping foes. Get a cheapshot thief, crush them under permalag. nt

Yhorian(VIP) January 29, 2008 06:29PM

I like this. nt

Nivek(VIP) January 29, 2008 04:24PM

Actually, if you really want to be mean, Full Poisoner Fire Axe Berserker with greeting.

Sam January 29, 2008 04:59PM

I would have sad orc/anaconda, but fucking VoR made that tactic unuseable :) NT

Sam January 29, 2008 04:36PM

I could be wrong about this.

Scrimbul January 29, 2008 03:09PM

Private message me if you really want to enter. We can call ourselves Mortal Enemas NT

Sam January 29, 2008 02:33PM

Mamlauk Orc & Invoker?

Mek January 29, 2008 01:41PM

Paladins tend to suck versus non-evils.

Yhorian(VIP) January 29, 2008 01:59PM

What would be nice is if...

Mek January 29, 2008 02:00PM

Two Hunsobos.

cointreau January 29, 2008 01:22PM

Ravon and Chrichuk. ~

_Magus_ January 29, 2008 11:45AM

Or shaman and thug thief. ~

_Magus_ January 29, 2008 12:12PM

What I heard through the grapevine...

_Magus_ January 29, 2008 11:40AM

Anti-gank code doesn't fire on a two-person group though.

Yhorian(VIP) January 29, 2008 11:41AM

Even before the new anti-gank code came in.

Cerunnir(VIP) January 29, 2008 12:54PM

Re: Anti-gank code doesn't fire on a two-person group though.

_Magus_ January 29, 2008 11:44AM

Turning it into 2 vs. 1 + 1?

Habbs January 29, 2008 11:18AM

Healer + defense shifter. The fights would be so dull, their opponents would suicide to leave. NT

Falstaff January 29, 2008 10:48AM

Any pair immortal character

nightmare January 29, 2008 08:55AM

*tsk, tsk* Don't troll, come up with a duo! nt

Drokk January 29, 2008 10:14AM

To kill everyone...

Death_Claw January 29, 2008 08:52AM

AP plus healer? AP plus bard? AP plus muter? txt

Isildur(VIP) January 29, 2008 08:36AM

Arena is 4 rooms in a square n/t

hopelessdwarf January 29, 2008 11:11AM

Be nice if we could get some Arena logs...

ekirhal January 29, 2008 07:53AM

i tried posting a number but gabe needs to fix anon posting of logs nt...

pintose January 30, 2008 09:44AM

They'd be real ugly logs atleast from a spectators view point n/t

hopelessdwarf January 29, 2008 08:48AM

bard + invoker n/t

Elhe January 29, 2008 07:01AM

Yeah. I like bard + warrior, but invoker + anyone is scary in a confined area- nt

Drokk January 29, 2008 10:15AM

I think an assassin might rip them apart with a druid.

Yhorian(VIP) January 29, 2008 08:31AM

Lol :) Invoker like Chrichuk can kick their asses alone n/t

Elhe January 29, 2008 09:28AM

telluric surge would kill them all instantly n/t

hopelessdwarf January 29, 2008 08:49AM

this made me laugh. dirt kick ftw. nt

Isildur(VIP) January 29, 2008 10:14AM



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