Newbie help is out there

January 18, 2011 07:47AM
I suppose after two years I am not new anymore. I've also played mostly exploration driven characters and that has helped tremendously with everything except PK, which I still suck at and likely always will. But I like exploration in CF, it is often an overlooked aspect of the game, and so I've gained through doing myself, and occassionally with others help, a fair bit of information on most areas, gear and prep locations. And all that information I have is at any time available to any who ask me. My only thing is I do it IC. And since most people have no clue who my character is, they don't ask me, and I don't advertise my willingness to help IC. I think a vet does not mind helping, but they don't want to do nothing but help or else that is all they would do in a log in. With Lasentia I guided people through various quests over tell while I was out doing other things at least thirty times. I tried to be as helpful as I could to any who approached me first. I think that is the policy of most vet players. Be helpful, but only when approached. It's a game for them too afterall.

I believe that the hardest part of CF for a newbie is finding the right people to help you out. It's not that they don't exist, trust me. They exist. You just have no way to tell who they are. But me being helpful does not mean I will take your hero to an area explore or hell to help you get things. I might, but a pure OOC thing of I need X,Y, and Z to me does not seem newbish. If it's RP related or useful to an ally, then of course. But if some level 6 guy says to me I need midnight dragon armor, two ivory wakizashis and goes on to list a full set of mid or high level eq... I say at that rank why are you asking for that? If your question entails a degree of game knowledge that indicates you're not a newbie, and instead are just some level 6 looking for an edge by having hero help, my answer is almost always no.

But someone with questions or requests that make them come off as inexperienced generally gets as much information as they want from me. If you're a hero, I'll show you anything because now I have no problem with you having anything. You're a hero, that you don't have some piece of gear or prep may just be because you don't know about it, and that I'll happily correct.

And if people see my char, and they ask me where anything I have comes from, I tell them. And if they ask about where to acquire something, I tell them. Do I get it for them, well that depends. I don't buy the secret information part of CF. I don't think I've ever been told no when I've asked anyone about any piece of gear or prep. I guess the hard part is you don't know what to be asking about. So look at players you are with. Ask them why they eat that moss or drink that juice. 9 out of 10 time they'll tell you. And tell you where you can get it. It's not always easy to say IC things, but most will manage something like "auras of protection or strengthens my mind" Some preps are limited, and so maybe they are not as forthcoming. But you know what. You know what the prep is. Ask someone else. That is the one thing I never get asked surprisingly. Where can I find something to grant me <insert random prep name>? People will ask me about gear, but never preps. Which is fine, but just because when I see you I don't say "by the way, I know where five non-sleek barrier wands are, would you like to know in case you ever need one?" does not mean I'm keeping that information secret.

The real problem I see is other relatively new players tend to find one another because they are more inclined to do the hey lets group and go kill triolls or dark guards or pawns thing via tell. Which vets may not respond to. They might respond to a more RP driven request cause it sounds newbish, and newbs often equal slow and inefficient which can be fine, but not if you have limited play time which is the case for lots of players.

Almost any herald would show you any and everything they know. How useful would it be if there was a herald who had a title of expert of Theran Lore, or Master of Theran terrains? The problem might be that person would just get swamped with people asking for things. I know I got asked random things all the time with Lasentia, especially as she got older and most people knew she was a herald. I always gave people every bit of information I could in an IC manner, and that included quest information and gear locations. I took people through area explores if they wanted. I think I took one level 23 guy through Organia without him asking, because I was going anyway and a little talking company was fun, and he got to see stuiff. Probably was not a newbie, but still. I like to think that he got something out of that and maybe if he was new he had a little better opinion of the CF world.
Subject Author Posted

Carrion Fields player base numbers will not improve

Bendak January 17, 2011 05:14PM

Pretty obvious.

Death_Claw January 21, 2011 07:46AM

Spot on, but that also is its greatest attribute imho... if we could just market it properly to show how much of a real challenge it is... (n/t)

NbM(VIP) January 21, 2011 07:48AM

Wait, what

Scrimbul January 20, 2011 09:49AM

I feel like we play a different game. nt

The Forsaken(VIP) January 21, 2011 07:05AM

If the proverbial "someone" wrote a great ad and everyone went and posted on 50 forums we'd get a few bites at least. I am just concerned access to the game isn't clear, like needing a mud client, etc. (n/t)

Returner January 18, 2011 10:50PM

I rarely offer help, but I also rarely say no to an IC request if I have time. I feel like a lot of people are the same way. Just ask. (n/t)

bell January 18, 2011 03:58PM

At least some of the problem is the staff, not the players.

alansmithee January 18, 2011 10:20AM

Well, as someone who also got the short end of the stick due to staff emotions, I feel for you.

Sam January 18, 2011 12:52PM

I don't even know what that means. They know what the need to do. They don't do it. What else is there? n/t

alansmithee January 18, 2011 01:26PM

I supposed it does take a man to accomplish certain things...

your blues January 18, 2011 12:57PM

That depends on what two lists you are comparing

Matrik January 18, 2011 01:22PM

Re: That depends on what two lists you are comparing

your blues January 18, 2011 04:15PM

Do some research, duh. Link inside.

Matrik January 18, 2011 04:43PM

Grrr.

your blues January 18, 2011 05:00PM

Stop stumping for HairyOrangutan. It'll only inflate a part of his part.

Sam January 18, 2011 05:29PM

You inflate my stump (n/t)

HairyOrangutan January 20, 2011 10:28AM

Sam,

Stevers January 18, 2011 05:40PM

Yeah, it is.

Stevers January 18, 2011 01:19PM

Re: Yeah, it is.

your blues January 18, 2011 04:13PM

You must have an awesome wife. n/t

Stevers January 18, 2011 04:15PM

ha... nope. (n/t)

your blues January 18, 2011 04:16PM

We don't need you.

The_Joker January 18, 2011 12:45PM

Great response..

thinhallen January 18, 2011 05:31PM

Examples?

briartangle January 18, 2011 12:16PM

Graatch! Hi, how's life? (n/t)

NbM(VIP) January 18, 2011 12:10PM

VIPizzle. Gabe wasn't kidding. (n/t)

briartangle January 18, 2011 12:17PM

That's a bold claim.

Stevers January 18, 2011 10:21AM

When you spend over a decade playing, hours every day, we can talk. nt

vladamir January 18, 2011 11:57AM

Oh, yeah, because him having no time to devote to anything but CF means he enjoys the game more than I do.

Stevers January 18, 2011 01:18PM

Huh, I figured only the ability to type would matter. (n/t)

Matrik January 18, 2011 12:32PM

Personally I feel that the mentality has improved enormously

Nightchild January 18, 2011 08:04AM

My $.03 from the newbie side of the risk board.

Ghandi Martini January 18, 2011 06:33AM

Re: My $.03 from the newbie side of the risk board.

bajula January 18, 2011 03:05PM

Well, the most powerful asset in CF is in-game knowledge

vortexmagus January 18, 2011 09:53AM

I'd disagree slightly

zannon January 18, 2011 10:19AM

Re: I'd disagree slightly

baekthestorm January 20, 2011 02:00PM

Newbie help is out there

zannon January 18, 2011 07:47AM

A similar perspective

your blues January 18, 2011 12:10PM

thumbs up.

Ghandi Martini January 18, 2011 07:52AM

Oh, also

Ghandi Martini January 18, 2011 07:17AM

While extensive scripts are possible

Nightchild January 18, 2011 08:01AM

Hmm... I will never solo rank again.

Matrik January 18, 2011 06:55AM

Sportsmanship is dead. Long live douchery! (n/t)

Guy January 18, 2011 06:21AM

The game will grow when the immstaff grows. nt

The Forsaken(VIP) January 18, 2011 05:06AM

They need to lower the damn requirements.

TripHitNdip January 18, 2011 05:40AM

Why not just give AVA's more power? IE Let them have goto and the ability to transfer into mobs (they may already have this, I don't know).

Sam January 18, 2011 09:17AM

Nnae definitely has goto. n/t

Stevers January 18, 2011 09:24AM

I don't mind the difficulty, but I wouldn't one change:

briartangle January 18, 2011 07:48AM

Not a bad idea.

istirith January 20, 2011 01:14AM

I will add however,

istirith January 20, 2011 01:28AM

I agree with this sentiment

baekthestorm January 20, 2011 02:24PM

If you look at most of the successful Mmorpgs out there..

istirith January 22, 2011 02:58AM

Yep, I agree.

The Forsaken(VIP) January 18, 2011 06:25AM

It took me 3 years to get to the point where I was decent in PK, exploration, area knowledge etc. And quite frankly, I had more fun when I started out...

deriveh January 18, 2011 03:16AM

Of course, it's like sex :) You always remember your first time. The 202nd time? Not so much.

Sam January 18, 2011 09:15AM

Sam,

Stevers January 18, 2011 09:23AM

Pffft...

bajula January 18, 2011 02:16PM

Yep, it's more fun to figure things out than it is to know them (n/t)

Nightchild January 18, 2011 08:05AM

Like any game...

briartangle January 18, 2011 04:37AM

See, I was the baddest level 8 half-elf axe spec you ever saw back in the day. I about wrecked a perfectly good pair of gym shorts when I realized damage could BE IN CAPS!!

zannon January 18, 2011 07:52AM

I was the baddest human nexun warrior in thera.

Stevers January 18, 2011 08:46AM

Re: I was the baddest human nexun warrior in thera.

Stevers January 18, 2011 09:09AM

I remember my first warrior.

Kez January 18, 2011 03:51AM

Exact same item for me.

Batman January 18, 2011 03:56AM

I remember getting Swiftbird and thinking it was the best weapon in the game.

TJHuron January 18, 2011 04:28AM

I remember my arial assassin getting tripped to death by a duergar as a newbie.. (n/t)

DurNominator(VIP) January 19, 2011 08:42PM

Son - the short sword of quickness is gonna whup some ass.

NeverMindTheWarlocks January 18, 2011 05:13AM

My downfall was anything red dragon from the sewers. wtf is more bad ass than a red dragon!!! (n/t)

demos January 18, 2011 04:53AM

Real men die to that randomly omega-powerful cittyguard.

Batman January 18, 2011 04:57AM

I think..

thinhallen January 18, 2011 12:32AM

Well, it's like this...

Sam January 18, 2011 09:13AM

But why..

thinhallen January 18, 2011 05:28PM

Re: I think..

bajula January 18, 2011 03:02AM

I think you're right.

Doof January 18, 2011 01:17AM

So, um, who killed and looted you?

Sam January 17, 2011 11:53PM

Someone has an opinion, and idiots reply like they're better than someone. His point is quite obvious. (n/t)

funnyone January 18, 2011 01:36AM

This. NT

Batman January 18, 2011 12:34AM

That. (n/t)

leaf January 18, 2011 04:50PM

Re: Carrion Fields player base numbers will not improve

ilostmycoconut January 17, 2011 06:04PM

Yes, let's look at the current trend and those other MMO's and Games.

baekthestorm January 20, 2011 03:03PM

The difference between CF and every other "learning curve".

briartangle January 17, 2011 06:14PM

It didn't used to be that way.

trewyn January 17, 2011 11:01PM

The game: you just lost it.

satchmo January 20, 2011 01:25PM

Didn't you (briartangle) used to be in that ooc cheat ring with me?

trewyn January 17, 2011 11:05PM

No.

briartangle January 18, 2011 04:28AM

Actually I was extremely intoxicated by the time I posted that.

trewyn January 20, 2011 12:45AM

Consider this:

briartangle January 17, 2011 05:27PM

Re: Consider this:

Isildur(VIP) January 17, 2011 07:40PM

Good points

Bendak January 17, 2011 05:39PM

I am the exception to this.

trewyn January 17, 2011 11:21PM

Um, dude, relax.

Sam January 18, 2011 12:03AM

Amen, Sammy...

leaf January 18, 2011 03:48PM

Re: Um, dude, relax.

bajula January 18, 2011 04:07AM

It was Vhaile in Nexus. It had to do with a certain piece of armor.

Sam January 18, 2011 09:03AM

Dalgorin!! I almost forgot that character. Hahaha -nt.

bajula January 18, 2011 02:55PM

Cosigned (n/t)

abernyte January 18, 2011 02:21AM

Yes. So how do we fix it?

Stevers January 17, 2011 05:16PM



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