What I see when you look at those listed.

January 17, 2013 07:37AM
Flaaayin should be on the pillar in my opinion, for playing a presumed shitty build and being deadly with it.
He also had strong RP, if you could get him to engage in it, which is always hard with stealth classes unless you are in the same cabal.
He was an effective Battle leader, and I really think he was one of the main reasons Battle was strong during his time.
I don't think Susu quite lived up to the Flaaayin example, but then, I have not met many chars in general that have.

Salyeris, I would not mind seeing her up there, but I can think of reasons why she certainly wouldn't be. Salyeris was a carbon copy of Allysia, played by the same player, a month after Allysia died. Allysia is on the Nexus orb thing. I'm not sure Salyeris should be recognized as exemplary for PK statistics alone when I already know I can repeat generally that statistical PK efficacy when playing a wood elf bard in any cabal (Lasentia, Allysia, Salyeris are all top bards in their cabal- and yes, I put in Heralds cause I find it funny). So that leaves her RP, and I made it clear from day 1 as a rager that she did not care about getting on the Pillar, my only concern was just helping the Battle cabal and trying to follow the rules I thought a Rager should live by and trying to set a good example. She had a romance with a Nexun for a while. She inducted Kelarin with no mage kills. She failed to boot Lohakahn. She was Krunk's utter bitch. She raped a wood elf to have a kid. All that (except being Krunk's bitch) was Salyeris following her RP instead of doing the technical right things. Those are 5 reasons to keep her off the Pillar, because ultimately she followed her personal RP over Battle RP.

To make the pillar, I see it as Battle RP has to be the controlling factor and influence on a char, not personal RP.

I didn't really play a lot when Susu was around, but looking at his pbf and death thread.
Susu was a major player in reviving Thror. That's certainly a plus for following Battle RP.
Objectively, a rager that helped restore a god of Battle is not all that common so shouldn't he be recognized for that?
In light of all his objective statistics plus his participation, I think he makes the cut for people on the PIllar unless there were RP issues that discouraged some, which I can't say I am in a position to comment on.
But arguing with Imms for any reason, least of all a Battle Imm, is probably enough to detract from the other objective positives the character displayed. (Good RP, strong PK skill)

I think it was more of his responses to some things in game, and honestly, his death thread, that may have kept him off.
Not sure how many can play a rager as well as he did, but it's just a thought that if someone with a more laid back approach played an identical character that was involved in similar important global events to the same PK success and had consistent strong Battle driven RP, they'd make the pillar without question.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/17/2013 07:39AM by zannon.
Subject Author Posted

A fun wiki page

valkenar January 16, 2013 06:46AM

Re: A fun wiki page

bajula January 16, 2013 04:00PM

Whats the Graatch vs the Pillar? (n/t)

hopelessdwarf January 16, 2013 10:17AM

He won't play again til Susubienko is put on the pillar

zannon January 16, 2013 10:20AM

I just hope they never put that char on the pillar

Stevers January 18, 2013 07:03AM

Susubienko looks like a Ukrainian surname.

Murphy January 16, 2013 04:27PM

still not sure why he thinks Subs should be on it

Quas January 16, 2013 10:31AM

Re: still not sure why he thinks Subs should be on it

Isildur(VIP) January 16, 2013 01:31PM

Salyeris is not on it far as I know

zannon January 17, 2013 03:32AM

okay, so...

Isildur(VIP) January 17, 2013 06:13AM

Something funny I discovered

hug January 17, 2013 11:04AM

What I see when you look at those listed.

zannon January 17, 2013 07:37AM

Salyeris and Allysia are probably my two favorite characters of the 5th age.

wrathpuppet January 18, 2013 03:10PM

Is Akedeh on the pillar? (n/t)

NbM(VIP) January 17, 2013 09:03AM

Not there during Salyeris's life time. (n/t)

zannon January 17, 2013 09:06AM

Jinroh deleted as a HEROIMM, and because of the stupid no-delete rule applying to IMMs too, he is precluded from being on the pillar.

Sam January 16, 2013 01:37PM

Re: Jinroh deleted as a HEROIMM, and because of the stupid no-delete rule applying to IMMs too, he is precluded from being on the pillar.

Isildur(VIP) January 16, 2013 01:49PM

I thought Thror posted an idea that they might make a sep thing honoring Imms / Heroimms

zannon January 17, 2013 03:33AM

Pretty sure they made an exception for Intronan. He wasn't a hero imm but I don't see other deleted imms on the pillar like Yean or Ordasen (n/t)

TJHuron January 16, 2013 06:33PM

Yup. That's what that rule does. Better to just wait out con/age death and apply to be a heroIMM with your next character. NT

Sam January 16, 2013 01:52PM

So you can have your fictional character name on an "object" very, very few people hardly ever see for the next 4-5 years?

Kez January 16, 2013 03:11PM

Don't be daft.

Tolnum January 16, 2013 04:08PM

I couldn't name any name from that long ago whether pillar or hero IMM.

Kez January 16, 2013 07:05PM

Hero IMMs don't last. The pillar does. Name 10 Hero IMMs that didn't make it. n/t

jalim January 16, 2013 03:14PM

Last? You act like this game will be around forever, that the list will go down in history.

Kez January 16, 2013 03:57PM

Re: Last? You act like this game will be around forever, that the list will go down in history.

Isildur(VIP) January 16, 2013 04:58PM

Yep. Boils down to the fact you're neither a mortal nor really an imm. (n/t)

Murphy January 18, 2013 04:23AM

Just a few facts:

alansmithee January 16, 2013 01:21PM

Susu Imm comments to add to the discussion

DurNominator(VIP) January 17, 2013 10:24AM

But why do you care so much?

valkenar January 16, 2013 06:42PM

here's a fact

jhyrbian January 16, 2013 03:03PM

that's two facts. nt

Isildur(VIP) January 16, 2013 04:47PM

rofl

Tolnum January 16, 2013 04:28PM

He's gonna need some burn cream. (n/t)

satchmo January 16, 2013 03:49PM

shit I better quit since half of my chars should be on the pillar by that logic

Quas January 16, 2013 01:36PM

Susu should be on The Pillar

wrathpuppet January 16, 2013 10:35AM

I'd rather see Flaaayin on there as opposed to Susu. NT

Sam January 16, 2013 11:36AM

Yeah, let all villagers know what they should be like! Flyyying! (n/t)

Murphy January 16, 2013 04:46PM

It doesn't have to be one or the other. I think they both should be up there. (n/t)

wrathpuppet January 16, 2013 11:43AM

Re: Susu should be on The Pillar

qurdind January 16, 2013 10:58AM

Is there a reason why the IMMs have specifically stated why not? (n/t)

hopelessdwarf January 16, 2013 11:28AM

Cause he whined. Pillar folks have heftier sacks and don't whine. (n/t)

Demtok January 16, 2013 01:04PM

If we're lucky. (n/t)

Demtok January 16, 2013 10:21AM

Derexal vs Deriveh (I have absolutely no idea why that guy hated me SO much. Haven't seen him around in a looong time though) (n/t)

deriveh January 16, 2013 09:14AM

Dude. You have no idea. His hate for you was like a candles flame. His hate for me was bigger then the sun in comparison. (n/t)

BattleCharmed January 16, 2013 02:47PM

This is accurate. n/t

Derexal March 20, 2013 07:33PM

Who hates Matrik? (n/t)

wrathpuppet January 16, 2013 08:36AM

Everyone should. But I don't think you people are smart enough to realize why. (n/t)

Pro January 16, 2013 08:49AM

Yes, insult everyone's intelligence in one broad stroke. Surely we can't even wipe our own collective ass. Oh wait, we can if we ban YOU (n/t)

Demtok January 16, 2013 08:58AM

You just seeth. (n/t)

Pro January 16, 2013 11:19AM

Second. He makes no contribution and spews hate constantly and without direction or reason. (n/t)

sevriis January 16, 2013 09:06AM

Show some hate filled directionless examples. (n/t)

Pro January 16, 2013 03:15PM

Me and Jalim got him to leave for at least a year. And you idiots wished for him to come back like he was the fucking Candyman.

Sam January 16, 2013 01:06PM

Did you mean to post this from your Jalim account? nt

Tolnum January 16, 2013 04:31PM

Oh shit, meant to post this from my Matrik account.

Sam January 16, 2013 04:49PM

Fuck, that was actually supposed to be from my Pro account.

Batman January 16, 2013 04:57PM

? Why am I involved with this? I think Matrik is dead as well or else he quit CF and the forums mid december. n/t

jalim January 16, 2013 03:07PM

You're a known liar. It's been proven.

Sam January 16, 2013 04:02PM

I would imagine he was banned for being the troll that he was. (n/t)

Pro January 16, 2013 03:17PM

Except you can clearly see those names were not ever banned. (n/t)

satchmo January 16, 2013 03:50PM

He's got nothing on you dude. n/t

jalim January 16, 2013 03:17PM

Except that I don't troll. Did you ever notice that Matrik argued with nearly every post anyone made?

Pro January 16, 2013 03:20PM

I thought HER husband was going to beat me up? n/t

Jerrokrar January 17, 2013 08:13AM

I disagree. NT

Batman January 16, 2013 04:24PM

He just likes to debate things. I don't think you really know what "troll" means. (n/t)

wrathpuppet January 16, 2013 03:47PM

How many times do you have to say his name in the mirror for him to appear? (n/t)

wrathpuppet January 16, 2013 02:53PM

If that was the case, 75% of QHCF would be banned. (n/t)

qurdind January 16, 2013 09:22AM

Wish he would sign up for reddit and spew over there. They've got a big enough toilet at least (n/t)

Demtok January 16, 2013 09:17AM

Please elaborate. (n/t)

wrathpuppet January 16, 2013 08:55AM

We are already making a script for the live action movie (n/t)

Demtok January 16, 2013 07:47AM



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