With thugs it's finding weakness. That to me says it has a wider appeal.

January 18, 2013 07:10PM
Cheap shot and better melee means they can kill anything. They just can't do it as easily from full health like a binder can.

Foremost in my mind, is Ithzaruul vs Ritur. I hit all my cheap shots and took him down despite a full zombie army. An exotic main wield and his lack of flight caused it but a binder couldn't do that.

Yhorian
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question for the masses:

Isildur(VIP) January 17, 2013 11:45AM

Thug will have much more PK's, but will be unable to kill those people whom a binder can kill.

shaapa January 18, 2013 11:11AM

With thugs it's finding weakness. That to me says it has a wider appeal.

Yhorian(VIP) January 18, 2013 07:10PM

Cheap shot is a general thief skill now. Why couldn't a binder do that?

Java January 20, 2013 04:18AM

Secrets to high PKpH

laearrist January 18, 2013 04:28AM

I will add this: PK doesn't stop once they recall/teleport

hug January 18, 2013 04:47PM

thats good stuff but the truth is that its much much simpler then that

Quas January 18, 2013 10:40AM

You are oversimplifying...

laearrist January 18, 2013 12:53PM

Your characters are also trivial to spot and avoid.

sevriis January 18, 2013 12:36PM

So basically play CF like it's a FPS. Meh. (n/t)

bell January 18, 2013 12:29PM

PS I thought Gripple was bad ass, and didn't get the FPS vibe even though you were fighting a bunch. (n/t)

bell January 18, 2013 01:22PM

PKing doesn't mean not rping bro you can do both at the same time (n/t)

Quas January 18, 2013 03:09PM

Quas's characters RP with personality, not "story-time."

wrathpuppet January 18, 2013 03:29PM

What you just said is staggering to me nt

Rade January 18, 2013 11:49AM

what part? (n/t)

Quas January 18, 2013 12:00PM

This one...

Rade January 18, 2013 04:16PM

I often die a few times in the process but having that many edge points early is worth it to me (n/t)

Quas January 18, 2013 04:25PM

Your reality is so far removed from mine if you woke up as me tomorrow you'd probably kill yourself nt

Rade January 19, 2013 04:32AM

Being a Pincer smurf/Conjie does cut down on prep time. (n/t)

Pro January 18, 2013 12:03PM

I kill just fine with mages not using non class preps, see grippledank (n/t)

Quas January 18, 2013 12:54PM

You didn't use AI with him? What was making you hit so hard? Soften and Ignite? (n/t)

Pro January 18, 2013 04:58PM

used AI preps in combat a total of 3 times, I used insect swarm 2 times

Quas January 19, 2013 03:43AM

You cherrypick. You seldom ever took out remotely deathful PC's and got your ass handed to you regularly by me.

Jerrokrar January 18, 2013 01:11PM

Not as regularly as Krunk made you his bitch Jerrotard. Suck it. (n/t)

laearrist January 18, 2013 05:30PM

Because improved flee and skrugga adaptation are worthless right? Would've totally got the same pk margins as a plain shig-ru. I still can't believe I used to spoonfeed u info on POS mud u douche n/t

Jerrokrar January 19, 2013 08:42PM

You "spoonfed" me info with my ragers too.

laearrist January 20, 2013 03:43AM

Typical jerro math

Quas January 18, 2013 03:14PM

Don't bother. I killed his various characters constantly and he still called me a pussy. (n/t)

Artificial January 18, 2013 04:49PM

I killed you over and over. Your number is in my back pocket. n/t

hug January 18, 2013 01:49PM

Good Analalysis. Maybe this is more applicable to midranks, but excellent. (n/t)

semi_newbie January 18, 2013 08:44AM

here's a different more on-topic list: txt

Isildur(VIP) January 18, 2013 06:38AM

If it was me, and I was going for high PKpH binder...

laearrist January 18, 2013 07:59AM

First thought. Did you do a reply with quote on the old PBF timelines

laearrist January 18, 2013 07:38AM

oh cool. never knew that. i'll check the ones i ommitted and add them to the list if the data is there. nt

Isildur(VIP) January 18, 2013 08:45AM

Re: oh cool. never knew that. i'll check the ones i ommitted and add them to the list if the data is there. nt

Isildur(VIP) January 18, 2013 09:53AM

Nope and I thought Kii was a cool cat. Kii + Krunk = Lots of dead ragers

laearrist January 18, 2013 10:14AM

Interesting, but a bit wrong

Flipside Oreo January 18, 2013 05:42AM

They are fairly close, but yes, I'm somewhat mistaken. Pre-hero PKpH is lower.

laearrist January 18, 2013 05:57AM

I think if you don't have more than 100 kills then it shouldn't count for this discussion

Rade January 18, 2013 04:39AM

I somewhat agree. Djarbee and Krunk are the only ones in the top 10 that had real staying power.

laearrist January 18, 2013 05:09AM

did some more analysis: txt

Isildur(VIP) January 18, 2013 04:09AM

Thugs will get you easy kills

theheretic January 18, 2013 03:10AM

1) combined with 3)

Flipside Oreo January 18, 2013 01:38AM

look what classes are played at hero

semi_newbie January 17, 2013 11:53PM

Thug Path

Zheeser January 17, 2013 07:15PM

Hero thief advantages

Tadam January 17, 2013 06:20PM

At low levels, all the main thief skills are the most effective.

vortexmagus January 17, 2013 05:38PM

Thug is just way easier to land kills on unprepared people with. Binder and poisoner can land kills on tougher opponents more readily. (n/t)

Artificial January 17, 2013 04:57PM

Oh gawd, another Isildur thief. Hide yo chain. (n/t)

bell January 17, 2013 04:19PM

Time to take another hiatus.

sevriis January 17, 2013 04:25PM

Hide yo kids, hide yo wives, cause Isildur's thief is rapin' errbody out hurr (n/t)

TripHitNdip January 17, 2013 04:31PM

doubtful. nt

Isildur(VIP) January 17, 2013 04:56PM

Frequency = the ability to seal quick kills

Splntrd January 17, 2013 03:03PM

Uhhh are you high? Tell me again what skill binders get to lag people?

kanye January 17, 2013 08:48PM

Are you? He never said binders could lag.

Java January 17, 2013 10:51PM

Weapon Trip is available to all thieves as general path (n/t)

Zheeser January 17, 2013 11:05PM

And it was a trapper skill for old thieves. nt

Flipside Oreo January 18, 2013 01:35AM

Eh, I disagree.

TripHitNdip January 17, 2013 03:21PM

Bleeding, Blinding... they can seal a kill better then binders (n/t)

Zheeser January 17, 2013 07:16PM

yes and no. txt

Isildur(VIP) January 18, 2013 04:57AM

I'm sure thugs do. I'm not sure non-thugs do. nt

Splntrd January 17, 2013 03:55PM

Low level thugs are pretty OP.

wrathpuppet January 17, 2013 12:33PM

Pretty Much this.

Demtok January 18, 2013 12:28PM

<3 Obregon. n/t

jalim January 18, 2013 12:31PM

Re: Low level thugs are pretty OP.

Isildur(VIP) January 17, 2013 12:49PM

Thug was easy at low mid levels

daurwyn(VIP) January 18, 2013 06:49AM