I accept your point of view but txt

April 24, 2009 05:49AM
However, CF is a really complex game. I do believe that without cheating or special collusion, there are nearly always methods of bringing down even the most super-cautious character. Not to say that Zwerg is one such, but he is fairly careful as most players go, and effective. By some twist of fate I logged in having quit in a zone commonly visited by hero range warriors and found him right there doing what I was doing before I logged out. So he got bashed down with only about a 10 second window to see if someone was coming at him.

I will have to list examples of fights one should get out of, even if one believes in taking chances:
Decked sword spec basher comes at you fully prepped. ie. Hunsobo/Igbah/(lesser extent)Humbert coming at you, you're easily bashed and unprepped. You should just teleport.
ABS Scion mage with 1500 hp. Chrichuk comes at your ordinary character.
ABS phylactery'd Lich comes at your ordinary character.
Decked elf paladin 2 hander with Defiance comes at your unprepped duergar warrior.

Here are some examples of fight where one may 'take risks' if one is that sort of person:
Sword warrior, your flurry (if it hits 6 times) will kill him and give you a kill. It will however kill you if it hits 5 or less times. Similar to drum, legacy warcry, aristaea, etc.

Instead why not fight smart? Wait till that tough shifter is out of form somewhere and beat the crap out of him? Wait till that tough shaman is not prepped, then two-man permalag him? This would be 'playing to win'. It would then be the staff's job to try to balance the game so that weaker combos are not overly disadvantaged by this. The ideal scenario is that the game has rules and every player plays the hardest to win, and the game's rules make it such that the competition is viable, and fun. I think CF is like that, excepting the truly elite players like Nep etc playing power combos.

In the above example, a 50 damroll warrior with dual mithril maces vs Shaman fully prepped will take about 10 rounds of straight melee to kill Shaman. If you're hit with rot (start rotting), blind, plague, famish, poison, and then Shaman words out. Shaman wins, you lose. Or worse, rot, word, Shaman wins. ETC.

Conversely, imagine same Shaman vs decked divine saves elf villager berserker STSF exotic weapons in a bloodthirst at the village. The Shaman would be absolutely silly to risk two supps and get battered to death.
Subject Author Views Posted

vs Zwerg & Zerrla

Nian 785 April 23, 2009 11:17AM

Warrior tips for Nian txt

starbright 443 April 23, 2009 11:56PM

If shaman is prepped just get out.

burak 376 April 24, 2009 04:45AM

I accept your point of view but txt

starbright 385 April 24, 2009 05:49AM

Just my opinion on this:

Balrahd(VIP) 381 April 24, 2009 08:00AM

I agree now. As I have seen:

burak 413 April 24, 2009 07:38AM

Re: vs Zwerg & Zerrla

burak 353 April 23, 2009 08:41PM

He paid the centurions on the way in so that they wouldn't be warned that he was coming. n/t

deriveh 389 April 23, 2009 11:18PM

I thought they were warning in anyway. Thanks nt

burak 368 April 24, 2009 03:54AM

dude. txt

Isildur(VIP) 505 April 23, 2009 12:48PM

Also.. don't warriors still get retreat?

Java 358 April 23, 2009 07:01PM

Please try and retreat from Cents and get lagged for 2+ rounds. You'll be disappointed I assure you. NT

Sam 281 April 24, 2009 01:52AM

You're right. Much better to give up, emote something and wait while you slowly die. My bad.

Java 281 April 24, 2009 12:45PM

Never said you should let yourself die, just that retreat is a really really bad idea. NT

Sam 338 April 24, 2009 12:50PM

Fair enough

Java 339 April 24, 2009 01:00PM

pemote (ensared) NT

Batman 343 April 24, 2009 12:46PM

I think I've already posted those suggestions to Nian.

The Forsaken(VIP) 389 April 23, 2009 01:45PM

Sorry, I don't read your posts. nt

Isildur(VIP) 306 April 23, 2009 04:25PM

1 + 1 = 2. nt

The Forsaken(VIP) 297 April 23, 2009 05:33PM

mathz0red. nt

Isildur(VIP) 321 April 23, 2009 07:49PM

Mild mannered Tim + business trip away from the fam = Timmy Criticize!

bell 306 April 23, 2009 06:16PM

I don't think you can pay when you're bloody from fighting with an imperial n/t

Balrahd(VIP) 277 April 23, 2009 12:21PM

Fort pays roadblock??

shylim 437 April 23, 2009 11:49AM

in Soveit Emprie, roadblock pays you!

Blackbird 283 April 23, 2009 05:14PM

Yes, perfectly viable tactic. Look at the greater good? n/t

deriveh 313 April 23, 2009 12:26PM

Yup, just like a fort conjie using a nightgaunt *sarcasm* nt

NbM 294 April 24, 2009 12:33PM

Agreed...and here is why....

Moligant 346 April 24, 2009 05:14AM

This made reading that log SO much more awesome. NT

Batman 288 April 24, 2009 05:23AM

What if the emperor said give me 50 gold and I'll return the orb? Pay it or say no?~

ExPaladin(VIP) 252 April 24, 2009 04:51AM

Id say No...and this is why....

Moligant 318 April 24, 2009 05:19AM

And how about bribing Imperials into not defending?

Java 288 April 24, 2009 12:42PM

Re: And how about bribing Imperials into not defending?

Moligant 354 April 25, 2009 02:59AM

As a Fortress member, I have more valuable things than Coin--Such as the Orb. I'll give the coin over, let evil be greedy, and purify them when I have the chance. NT

Batman 318 April 24, 2009 04:59AM

And then evil says "Give me that fancy ring, and I'll give the orb back"

Java 245 April 24, 2009 12:44PM

"So now you see, Lone Starr...evil will always triumph, because good is dumb." nt

NbM 336 April 24, 2009 12:34PM

No! Not if I use the schwartz! NT

Batman 289 April 24, 2009 12:54PM

Maybe depends on Fort leadership. But if I was in charge, that'd be a big no-no. nt

Java 253 April 23, 2009 09:02PM

Yes, it entirely does. n/t

Balrahd(VIP) 245 April 24, 2009 08:03AM

Seconded. Maybe it's a good thing we both deleted them. :) nt

minyar 329 April 24, 2009 03:13AM

I always did if there were tons of Imperials on and I wanted to chance a quick retrieval. n/t

jalim 302 April 23, 2009 12:25PM



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