Re: Yea, and my argument wasn't that you won't die due to mistypes (totally possible with aliases) or lose kills due to poor targetting, but rather than you can't *win* fights you'd otherwise be losing...

March 14, 2017 09:00AM
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I'll agree with the fact that it won't WIN fights for you in most situations, but it still gives an unfair advantage-- there's no denying that.

Unfair implies others don't have the same opportunity, which isn't the case.

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The exception, of course, is that if you are playing a class that relies on re-initiating: Like a sleep, blackjack, wither, etc. It totally nullifies any chance of you being able to pull that off unless you blind first.

Completely untrue due to movement lag. Standing in place and spamming will always beat someone moving excepting skills like dash. If you want first strike you can get it, but don't rely on typing faster, that's stupid.

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My stance is that automation = cheating. I'm sure plenty of people here will lie to themselves to try and make themselves feel better about it, but it's pretty undeniable.

That is undeniably your stance, which is the only thing true about your statement. The rest is you choosing to play a competitive game without an advantage you could have.

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I've gotten pretty good over the years of being able to predict when someone is about to flee and have "trip XXX" ready to go and waiting to enter the direction that they flee in to catch them... But then triggers/automation comes into play and it's like someone training for the Olympics only to have some dickhead with bionic legs breeze past you without ever training a day in their life.

Congratulation on being good at prediction? Here's your reddit silver. [i.imgur.com] You analogy falls down at exactly the point where you too could have bionic legs. And since the Olympics allows bionic legs in competition... maybe you should get some instead of complaining about those who have them.

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Your skill in a game should be based on your skill.

Typing speed isn't really a skill any more than having low ping is a skill. It can be a thing that is true or not, but may not be within your control. Using triggers effectively (and writing them) are also skills, by your standard, so why shouldn't that skill be rewarded?

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Now I feel bad about myself for comparing getting good at a MUD to training for the Olympics, but... hopefully you see the point.

I see your point, in so much as I understand you don't want triggers to be used, but since they are used and are allowed, perhaps you should evolve instead of complaining about how they are unfair or cheating when they are neither by the rules of the game.
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Koidel's goodbyes.

shaapa 618 March 11, 2017 04:06PM

Koidel was awesome by the way.

laearrist 353 March 15, 2017 04:56AM

Enjoyed my interactions with him too. (n/t)

KoeKhaos 245 March 15, 2017 08:59AM

Re: Koidel's goodbyes.

IzhGena 266 March 14, 2017 08:52PM

Noone played Solace here

Kstatida 333 March 15, 2017 05:58AM

You need to edit this post

anta 318 March 15, 2017 10:47AM

Re: Koidel's goodbyes.

shaapa 299 March 14, 2017 09:06PM

your post edits are insane...heh nt

The Forsaken(VIP) 181 March 15, 2017 04:11AM

Re: Koidel's goodbyes.

bufu 291 March 13, 2017 09:24AM

Cosign.

Matrik 315 March 13, 2017 02:34PM

Re: Cosign.

wasted 360 March 13, 2017 04:06PM

Intentionally obtuse is still obtuse. (n/t)

Matrik 187 March 13, 2017 06:49PM

Acting like a 4 year old rarely helps discussions. themoreyouknow (n/t)

Frosty 190 March 13, 2017 04:34PM

Re: Cosign.

Isildur(VIP) 366 March 13, 2017 03:39PM

Your triggers make your characters too predictable. I already know your new character.

wasted 278 March 13, 2017 09:15AM

Triggers aren't cheating. If you can't beat his triggers, you can't beat him without them either. (n/t)

laearrist 177 March 13, 2017 09:55AM

Ummm... If you could take Shaapa out of your mouth for a second, try "Help rules" -- triggers have always been cheating. (n/t)

wasted 183 March 13, 2017 10:13AM

Honestly it doesn't give him THAT much advantage. I agree with laearrist that if you can't beat him with them you'll still very likely not be able to beat him without them. (n/t)

Frosty 189 March 13, 2017 12:20PM

1) Help rules

laearrist 269 March 13, 2017 02:53PM

Not sure if they still do this...

Death_Claw 207 March 15, 2017 06:04AM

Several years back..

Java 198 March 17, 2017 02:44AM

Not anymore. (n/t)

Frosty 244 March 15, 2017 07:09AM

Not necessarily true. I have died and lost kills due to mispelling words and not having any aliases/targetting systems/triggers. NT

Sam 186 March 13, 2017 04:19PM

You don't counter his argument (n/t)

Kstatida 185 March 14, 2017 12:35AM

People also had died from their own triggers. (n/t)

Murphy 187 March 13, 2017 04:20PM

Yea, and my argument wasn't that you won't die due to mistypes (totally possible with aliases) or lose kills due to poor targetting, but rather than you can't *win* fights you'd otherwise be losing... (n/t)

laearrist 186 March 13, 2017 04:57PM

Re: Yea, and my argument wasn't that you won't die due to mistypes (totally possible with aliases) or lose kills due to poor targetting, but rather than you can't *win* fights you'd otherwise be losing...

wasted 247 March 14, 2017 08:03AM

Re: Yea, and my argument wasn't that you won't die due to mistypes (totally possible with aliases) or lose kills due to poor targetting, but rather than you can't *win* fights you'd otherwise be losing...

Kstatida 234 March 15, 2017 05:25AM

Not necessarily.

Frosty 289 March 15, 2017 11:31AM

I have made my first trigger when 14 years old

Kstatida 174 March 17, 2017 11:09AM

Re: Yea, and my argument wasn't that you won't die due to mistypes (totally possible with aliases) or lose kills due to poor targetting, but rather than you can't *win* fights you'd otherwise be losing...

laearrist 286 March 14, 2017 09:00AM

Wrong.

Matrik 285 March 14, 2017 10:31AM

Well I'm about 350 cpm

Kstatida 191 March 15, 2017 05:38AM

Real talk, before playing MUDs I was at 40-60 words a minute, now I'm probably at 70-90. NT

Sam 263 March 14, 2017 02:25PM

Before playing MUDs I typed with one finger. (n/t)

Murphy 179 March 14, 2017 09:34PM

My grandfather played muds typing with just index fingers. (n/t)

Matrik 246 March 15, 2017 06:48AM

Mine played with some sort of stick and fish rigging. I still don't understand it completely.

MiyagiYojimbo 265 March 15, 2017 07:17AM

125-150 wpm last I tested.

Matrik 282 March 14, 2017 06:01PM

Pretty sure I could hit 110 if mistakes are allowed :) NT

Sam 182 March 15, 2017 03:29PM

Nobody is stopping you from using your own chase triggers. I agree chase triggers are "cheating" but I didn't make the game so I don't make the rules. (n/t)

Frosty 256 March 14, 2017 08:10AM

What a novel concept (n/t)

NbM(VIP) 174 March 14, 2017 08:21AM

And furthermore (higher on soapbox) if tirggers/aliases offer such a HUGE competitive advantage, and yet are easily done, that is bad game design. You don't fix bad game design by telling the players to play less well in a competitive game. (n/t)

laearrist 193 March 13, 2017 05:01PM

Only 'fix' would be that we are only able to login through CF's MUD Client... and that would be terrible. :( (n/t)

wasted 173 March 14, 2017 07:42AM

Re: 1) Help rules

wasted 210 March 13, 2017 04:03PM

No, people are trying to explain something to you. You don't agree, and called people explaining things to you "circlejerking" which they were not. (n/t)

Frosty 184 March 13, 2017 04:31PM

Looks like the circle just got bigger! Bwahaha! (n/t)

wasted 269 March 13, 2017 09:35PM

You're one to talk about circles getting bigger. (n/t)

Frosty 242 March 13, 2017 09:52PM

We talking buttholes? I hope we're talking buttholes. (n/t)

wasted 170 March 14, 2017 07:43AM

Are we ever NOT talking about buttholes? ;) (n/t)

Frosty 255 March 14, 2017 08:09AM

This subthread is QHCF in its most pure and concentrated form. (n/t)

TheShamanman 283 March 14, 2017 09:23AM

Did you mean to reply to wasted? I didn't say it was cheating. (n/t)

Frosty 196 March 13, 2017 02:57PM

yes (n/t)

laearrist 193 March 13, 2017 03:06PM

It's not unknown and imms don't seem to be cracking down so it's likely not cheating in their book.

Quas 219 March 13, 2017 12:08PM

It used to be cracked down on back in the day... But right now we have about 4 active IMMs so I'm sure lots of stuff gets overlooked, sadly. (n/t)

wasted 174 March 13, 2017 12:16PM

Your days are over

Kstatida 239 March 13, 2017 12:38PM

GTFO? Naw, I think I'll just keep feasting on your cheating nooblets. (n/t)

wasted 189 March 13, 2017 02:07PM

Bring it on, motherfucker!

Kstatida 208 March 13, 2017 11:50PM

Haha, you wish you were that cool. (n/t)

Frosty 188 March 14, 2017 06:47AM

Anyone who screams triggers is probably a trigger user and cheater himself. (n/t)

Murphy 183 March 13, 2017 04:19PM

Re: Anyone who screams triggers is probably a trigger user and cheater himself.

wasted 279 March 13, 2017 09:29PM

the word you're looking for is "realistic"

Murphy 275 March 13, 2017 09:52PM

Nope (n/t)

NbM(VIP) 172 March 14, 2017 03:38AM

Sounds convincing :) (n/t)

Kstatida 171 March 14, 2017 03:44AM

You were also allowed to go to hell with people you knew too(not gunna let up on them about that until they 'splain themselves). ;) Things change. (n/t)

Frosty 181 March 13, 2017 12:23PM

a very good paladin, well done

The Forsaken(VIP) 352 March 13, 2017 04:56AM

question... how did you log both your chars in at the same time?

The Forsaken(VIP) 234 March 13, 2017 12:16PM

You and I need to break from this habit.

K-B 381 March 12, 2017 06:01PM

He'd have to have risk written into his client's bot, that has to be vetted and approved first ;) (n/t)

NbM(VIP) 242 March 12, 2017 06:27PM

Just like players have to be OOC vetted and approved before you let them join your cabal.

Matrik 336 March 12, 2017 07:41PM

;) (n/t)

Kstatida 163 March 12, 2017 11:22PM

Burn (n/t)

NbM(VIP) 286 March 12, 2017 07:56PM

Good. Delete. I tire of fighting your client. You cheat with each of your characters and then wonder why no one wants to play with you. Take your automated football home Charlie Brown, no one wants to play with a cheater. (n/t)

funnyone 192 March 12, 2017 10:38AM

You will have even less enemies with monk builds imo, don't do it!

badboy 246 March 12, 2017 10:21AM

Stupid bat spammer

Kstatida 405 March 12, 2017 01:53AM



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