I don't understand. Was Ghrimmli supposed to be a kinslayer or not?

July 04, 2017 11:17AM
^^^ Sure from an OOC power gamey point of view I could 100% do this, and betray all that Ghrimmli means as a character no problems, or I can just hand out my gear and ask people to murder Akan and Mortorn dwarves over and over.

This doesn't have to be power-gamey. Ghrimmli can stand for whatever he wanted to stand for, but my suggestion is a way to account for why Ghrimmli would have transitioned from kinslayer to non-kinslayer in the eyes of dwarven merchants. If you have the kinslayer title, you can't trade with merchants, right? When the title was removed, you could trade with them again, right?

We made a mistake, so we fixed that mistake (Ignore the 80 hours of life/rp inbetween) - So uhmn, all those interactions I had with those dwarves in the meantime, they were meaningless? 'Well you could think of it as them not recognising you' - The hideous drunken dwarf, with no face, known through out the lands as Kingslayer and Blacksmith, and on multiple occasions they traded with him unknown?

Right??? Seriously, I am an idiot and I'm probably missing something. Please dumb it down for me because I'm not sure what's going on.

What is it that Ghrimmli stood for? Why couldn't he continue to stand for it? Be precise about these questions and I'll show you an RP angle that allows you to stick to your original role (even though it seems to me Ghrimmli stood for Give wisHore's Real, Intended Main Man (vortalis) Lots of Items.

^^^ I'm not sure how this is applicable to a world were gods dont exist.

Taken with my previous statement about the newspaper, you can always pretend that the IMMs had nothing to do with it in your role. If they made and fixed the mistake, then it was a big OOPSIES that you could have bent at will for a role entry.

^^^ I didnt care what happened to him, I carried on playing him regardless (with a few caveats to my style), a day or so later I got booted from Fortress, for essentially the same reason, which meant less fun killing stuff/exploring and double down on the RP bullshit :D Vortalis was dead in the water as soon as Kotu/Undmeldn deleted, it was waiting to delete him, I briefly considered rebuilding the imperial raid because hey I have all the maps right, but people just kept rolling worthless shit for pvp only. I tried solo collecting all the Items/defending and shit, but Glik I think was more interested in having someone to gang with, straight up promoting Buon from Sheathed to warmaster in a couple of days. From an RP perspective for my Main, he needs to burn his shit and gtfo before he gets anathemed and praise be to Buon, if the situations were reversed I'd of booted him asap.

So Vortalis is a time bomb, Ghrimmli gets hit with this random Ludan chasing/kinslayer/Kingslayer and Kaiden gets booted from Fort - Given that I play characters at a rate of 10hours to 1 hour of everyone else, where is the fun for me?

I'm not sure what the main argument is here; you should be allowed to have more characters that interact with each other because you play 10 times as much as everyone else?

PS please take the time to use quote /quote tags around things you are quoting.. it makes reading your replies a heck of a lot cleaner. Thank you!

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I'm out Ghrimmli/Kaiden/Vortalis (n/t)

wishore 279 June 29, 2017 12:20PM

Dude. One character!

Isildur(VIP) 377 June 29, 2017 12:23PM

9th circle of hell and most of silent tower (n/t)

wishore 221 June 29, 2017 12:25PM

Re: 9th circle of hell and most of silent tower

Isildur(VIP) 362 June 29, 2017 03:07PM


wishore 331 June 29, 2017 04:22PM

Re: Nah

Isildur(VIP) 307 June 29, 2017 04:41PM

Re: Nah

wishore 331 June 29, 2017 04:52PM

WTF SPEC LOSS???? (n/t)

Kstatida 187 June 30, 2017 03:29AM

Two small Imm mistakes

wishore 310 July 01, 2017 05:40AM

No RP shit other than straight up brain damage justifies spec loss

Kstatida 220 July 04, 2017 04:37AM

Any alignment change

wishore 228 July 04, 2017 08:23AM

Sup loss is justified

Kstatida 218 July 05, 2017 12:36AM

Apparently not :D (n/t)

wishore 184 July 05, 2017 05:47AM

Which is why I don't do betrayers

Kstatida 194 July 05, 2017 08:07AM

You can do both and you don't need strong English skills

zannon 220 July 05, 2017 09:57AM

Lol I played an arial once

wishore 202 July 05, 2017 10:59AM

Re: Two small Imm mistakes

wraith 249 July 04, 2017 04:13AM

Well because dwarves have kinship Chris

wishore 232 July 04, 2017 08:21AM

Everyone has kinship.

Matrik 237 July 04, 2017 10:49AM

Really??? Holyshit learn something new every day

wishore 226 July 04, 2017 11:04AM

Let me explain that for you.

Stevers 255 July 04, 2017 10:51AM

Fuck that was hilarious (n/t)

Kstatida 189 July 05, 2017 12:37AM

I'm going to boink your mom. (n/t)

Matrik 165 July 04, 2017 10:51AM

Please Doug Dimma-don't do that. n/t

Stevers 179 July 04, 2017 10:53AM

Re: Well because dwarves have kinship Chris

wraith 221 July 04, 2017 09:42AM

You ooc outted yourself like within 5 mins of meeting me :D

wishore 208 July 04, 2017 10:00AM

Re: You ooc outted yourself like within 5 mins of meeting me :D

wraith 226 July 04, 2017 10:16AM

Yeah maybe (n/t)

wishore 177 July 04, 2017 10:19AM

Consequences aren't fair! (n/t)

MiyagiYojimbo 185 July 01, 2017 08:43AM

Asswipe ^

Lokith 248 July 01, 2017 11:29AM

Consequences are 100% ok

wishore 273 July 01, 2017 09:00AM

Bullshit. You're not "down with that as a player man ofc" -- if you were, you wouldn't have rage deleted 3 different characters. You talk a lot about things IC, yet your in game decisions all come from OOC bum bruising.

Stevers 198 July 04, 2017 09:07AM


wishore 230 July 04, 2017 10:09AM

...two of your characters were rolled for the purpose of aiding your first character?

Stevers 226 July 04, 2017 10:15AM


wishore 210 July 04, 2017 10:17AM

Depends on how the IMMs feel about power-gamey stuff.

Stevers 214 July 04, 2017 10:48AM

Re: Depends on how the IMMs feel about power-gamey stuff.

wishore 230 July 04, 2017 11:22AM

Rolling chars like this feels like grounds for a perma ban

Quas 208 July 05, 2017 11:49AM


wishore 212 July 05, 2017 11:55AM

Dude you're fine

Kstatida 191 July 06, 2017 01:41AM

What an argument: It's fine because I can do it. n/t

Stevers 172 July 06, 2017 10:59AM

You find it strange that pragmatic reasoning comes from a Russian and not an American?

Kstatida 190 July 07, 2017 02:29AM

Pragmatic? "It's fine; I do it all the time" is hardly pragmatic, you know? Those are top-tier powergame actions despite how frequently you do them. n/t

Stevers 160 July 07, 2017 08:32AM

Powergaming is pragmatic, you know

Kstatida 184 July 07, 2017 10:58AM

On a bit more serious note though, refer to what "pragmatism" as philosophy means

Kstatida 174 July 07, 2017 11:00AM

The Irony Being

wishore 203 July 07, 2017 11:13AM


MiyagiYojimbo 206 July 06, 2017 04:54AM

And even more

Kstatida 191 July 06, 2017 05:36AM

Diabolical :D

wishore 186 July 06, 2017 05:58AM

It all makes sense now. Everything about you makes sense now.

Stevers 186 July 06, 2017 11:00AM

Guilty of not doing that

Kstatida 195 July 06, 2017 07:58AM

If I was to play only one character - within 2 chars everyone would know which is mine

wishore 195 July 06, 2017 04:58AM

Instead of outing one character at a time, you choose to out three characters at a time. How is that not breaking the same rule?

Stevers 196 July 06, 2017 11:07AM


wishore 176 July 06, 2017 11:10AM

The point is that, one character or three characters, your characters will always out themselves. You can't help it; you play the same way each time. If you want some advice from me, master of not outing myself, it would be

Stevers 180 July 06, 2017 11:17AM


wishore 176 July 06, 2017 11:33AM

I've interacted with some your characters in the past, and let me tell you something buddy

Stevers 202 July 07, 2017 08:35AM

I'd like to apply for the plants thing please where do I send resume? n-t

jalim 180 July 07, 2017 11:24AM

Re: I'd like to apply for the plants thing please where do I send resume? n-t

MiyagiYojimbo 200 July 08, 2017 12:42AM

I ran a horticultural program for several years. =(. n/t

jalim 170 July 08, 2017 03:29AM

Cool! I didn't know that!

MiyagiYojimbo 193 July 08, 2017 04:20AM

Re: I've interacted with some your characters in the past, and let me tell you something buddy

wishore 180 July 07, 2017 09:12AM

Multi charring (n/t)

Quas 172 July 05, 2017 12:10PM

Re: Multi charring

wishore 230 July 05, 2017 12:15PM

Are you CW? n/t

jalim 191 July 05, 2017 12:28PM


wishore 199 July 05, 2017 12:33PM

Re: ????

MiyagiYojimbo 194 July 05, 2017 11:56PM

Yeah, the problem is your timeline of events is out of sync with the reality.

wishore 204 July 06, 2017 04:12AM

I was about to post that exact same subject in response to one of your posts. Crazy! n/t

Stevers 177 July 06, 2017 11:13AM

Nah the two of you + Jalim are being super aggressive

wishore 193 July 06, 2017 11:58AM

I stopped thinking about it when I noticed you were Kov. Carry on sir. n/t

jalim 194 July 06, 2017 12:08PM

Yeah not me (n/t)

wishore 181 July 06, 2017 12:09PM

Oh, sorry, I was assigning meaning to your words

MiyagiYojimbo 191 July 06, 2017 04:47AM


wishore 186 July 06, 2017 04:50AM

You rolled a character with the intent to cheat for yourself, but you ended up being too incompetent to even do that correctly. It's borderline cheating because you tried; it's not "okay" just because you sucked at it. n/t

Stevers 188 July 06, 2017 11:12AM


wishore 178 July 06, 2017 11:25AM

It's pretty far past borderline. n/t

jalim 176 July 06, 2017 02:33AM

Farming Cabal XP with a main in Empire and an alt in Fortress doing back and forth retrievals probably. I'm sure it's justifiable though, you know, that awesome RP you do between your three heroes between. n/t

jalim 175 July 05, 2017 12:00PM

What would be wrong with that? (n/t)

wishore 176 July 05, 2017 12:09PM

How dare you debait?!

MiyagiYojimbo 221 July 01, 2017 09:58PM

Logs or you're lying! FULL EXPERIENCE. n/t

jalim 200 June 29, 2017 01:24PM

Logs by themselves so much work :D Annotated maps for all area explore :D (n/t)

wishore 211 June 29, 2017 01:34PM

Logs are so much work? All you have to do is copy paste. Or do you mean doctoring logs is so much work?

Stevers 186 July 04, 2017 09:03AM

Oh I assumed this was a joke? Regarding Hell logs ? (n/t)

wishore 179 July 04, 2017 10:11AM

What you should have assumed is that I'm an idiot

Stevers 201 July 04, 2017 10:16AM

Oh no the simple line that jaded me was

wishore 205 July 04, 2017 10:22AM

Also, 80 hours to fix the mistake? Really? You're not fudging that number AT ALL? n/t

Stevers 190 July 04, 2017 10:46AM

I dunno the exact timings man the char was 170 hours old (n/t)

wishore 172 July 04, 2017 11:14AM

You keep using exact amount of hours as if you did know, so I think you can see why I am confused about that. n/t

Stevers 177 July 04, 2017 11:19AM

So you were jaded because they fixed their mistake? I understand that you had to go from RPing one angle to RPing essentially the opposite.

Stevers 189 July 04, 2017 10:44AM

Re: So you were jaded because they fixed their mistake? I understand that you had to go from RPing one angle to RPing essentially the opposite.

wishore 195 July 04, 2017 11:03AM

I don't understand. Was Ghrimmli supposed to be a kinslayer or not?

Stevers 174 July 04, 2017 11:17AM

So thats a no then?

wishore 205 July 04, 2017 11:33AM

No, it was not a no. In case you didn't realize it, you never asked me a yes or no question.

Stevers 196 July 04, 2017 02:42PM

Re: No, it was not a no. In case you didn't realize it, you never asked me a yes or no question.

wishore 212 July 04, 2017 03:56PM

Oh it is 40 hours now? I thought it was 80 hours? Seems like that time has been cut in half.

Stevers 195 July 04, 2017 09:16PM

Yeah Stevers

wishore 195 July 05, 2017 05:12AM

Instead of blurting out "WRONG!" you could instead tell me what is right. n/t

Stevers 194 July 05, 2017 09:19AM

I spelt it out for you with steps and shit

wishore 198 July 05, 2017 11:05AM

Let me show you what a contradiction looks like.

Stevers 204 July 05, 2017 12:51PM

No you are still wrong

wishore 203 July 05, 2017 01:58PM

Re: No you are still wrong

Stevers 188 July 05, 2017 02:16PM


MiyagiYojimbo 187 July 06, 2017 12:34AM

This is more or less accurate except

wishore 197 July 06, 2017 04:29AM

After having said it was 80 hours since killing dwarves, then having said it was 40 hours since killing dwarves,you are back to saying it was 100 hours since killing dwarves. Which one is it, wishore? n/t

Stevers 177 July 06, 2017 10:55AM


wishore 177 July 06, 2017 11:12AM

Show me proof of both claims or stop pretending to not be lying. n/t

Stevers 182 July 06, 2017 11:19AM

Re: Show me proof of both claims or stop pretending to not be lying. n/t

wishore 189 July 06, 2017 11:54AM

Nice, 100 hours pre-punishment confirmed. I see roughly 40 hours until deletion, but I don't see where kinship was re-applied?

Stevers 192 July 06, 2017 03:04PM

Kinship was reapplied with the title change at around 120? hours

wishore 185 July 06, 2017 03:26PM

Are you two registered at Crate and Barrel? (n/t)

Frosty 189 July 05, 2017 02:31PM

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