And it's not about what the law actually says.

April 11, 2014 09:17AM
MiyagiYojimbo is absolutely correct about the wording of the law. And for everyone who says the amendment is outdated or doesn't apply or the Constitution is a "living document", there's a legal process for changing amendments. It hasn't happened. Legally, the wording SHOULD still apply as MiyagiYojimbo points out.

The problem is, people don't care. They don't want to try to go through the process of changing the amendment. So they just say whatever they want. Lawyers argue however they want. Juries decide however they want. Judges rule however they want. The wording doesn't really matter, because nobody cares except the person on trial.

There are countless examples of this. One of my favorites is the "separation of church and state" rulings. If you read the actual law, it says, "Congress shall pass no law respecting..." Very clear language here. "Congress": the legislative body in DC made up of the House of Representatives and the Senate. "shall pass no law" self explanatory. The rest doesn't even matter. So this is twisted and interpreted all kinds of completely off-the-wall ways because nobody wants to go through the process of actually changing the Constitution. The Constitution is a joke. The US is not a land of law. It is a land of judges, juries, and mob mentality.

Another fun example is how far the federal government has taken the right to regulate interstate commerce. They have twisted it to mean they basically do anything they want that might affect commerce in any way, which is everything. An example: the purchase of guns. Regardless of where the gun was made, the simple act of purchasing a gun has an impact on commerce somewhere somehow, so they can pass laws to throw you in jail for doing it any time they want. Same thing with buying raw milk. They control everything bought and sold. They could use this same twisted thinking to legislate any activity they wanted. Everything impacts commerce in some way: murder, traffic stops, cutting timber, etc.

The Constitution is a joke. Our legal system is a joke. We have no rights that we can depend on. It's mob vs mob fighting for legitimacy in the eyes of the public. That's why free speech is so important. That's why illegal searches is so important. That's why guns are so important.

- Paul



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 04/11/2014 09:51AM by PaulO.
Subject Author Posted

While this is a tragedy..boy do I feel vindicated! LETS BAN KNIVES!!!

Nurok April 10, 2014 09:48AM

In this country knives above a certain length are banned

Elystan April 11, 2014 01:38AM

Are you sure?

Death_Claw April 11, 2014 03:51PM

in your country, Rambo would have been killed by that sheriff, thereby depriving us of several good sequels (n/t)

Doof April 11, 2014 05:35AM

About that

Elystan April 11, 2014 10:30AM

Exactly the opposite. If he'd had a gun, we'd have dozens if not scores more dead. Guns kill people. That's all they do. (n/t)

alansmithee April 10, 2014 10:23AM

Actually, bullets kill people. I'm sure someone has been beat to death with a gun, but I haven't heard about it yet. NT

Sam April 16, 2014 12:25PM

"It's not the fall that kills you, it's the sudden stop at the end." (n/t)

Murphy April 16, 2014 09:34PM

The fact that guns kill people is precisely the reason why we need them nt

Rade April 12, 2014 04:24PM

I disagree. A gun is much louder and almost immediately provokes an evacuation and a 911 call. Kids yell and scream at shit in school halls all the time. I imagine he got quite a few down before anyone knew what was happening. (n/t)

Doof April 11, 2014 12:41AM

Past incident record shows you quite clearly wrong.

vortexmagus April 11, 2014 11:21AM

Current incident and logic show me clearly right, and you clearly a snobbish ass. Ever hear of sarcasm? (n/t)

Doof April 11, 2014 11:34PM

Didn't read like sarcasm to me. Perhaps you should work on it. (n/t)

vortexmagus April 12, 2014 06:40AM

I WILL. *snap* (n/t)

Doof April 12, 2014 01:18PM

You Sir ARE WRONG and need to have a talk with Homer J. Simpson. Guns do a LOT more than just kill shit.

Frosty April 10, 2014 03:26PM

yeah, i almost feel like its a troll post. txt

Isildur(VIP) April 10, 2014 11:45AM

You also have to factor in how many deaths are prevented by gun vs prevented by knife.

PaulO April 10, 2014 02:36PM

Something is wrong in a society if you need guns(or knives) to protect yourself in the first place. (n/t)

Cerunnir April 29, 2014 09:59PM

If you don't have a gun/weapon in your home...

Death_Claw April 10, 2014 11:24AM

I'm glad I dont live in a place where one feel the need to own a gun to protect oneself. (n/t)

Cerunnir April 15, 2014 12:26AM

Last I checked people get murdered everywhere on earth.

Death_Claw April 22, 2014 12:12PM

Numbers.

Matrik April 10, 2014 11:29AM

It's true.

Death_Claw April 10, 2014 11:31AM

there is one flaw with your logic

Quas April 10, 2014 11:50AM

I REFUSE TO SURRENDER MY MODEL T-1 !!!!! (n/t)

Nurok April 11, 2014 04:02AM

T-1? Liquid metal is where it's at. Splurge for the T-1000, my friend. (n/t)

MiyagiYojimbo April 11, 2014 02:11PM

Are you Bruce Lee?

Death_Claw April 10, 2014 03:51PM

The point he was making is still valid:

vortexmagus April 11, 2014 11:17AM

Body armor has been around for 60 years and it's still not legal. Let's debate the point when it's not fantasy. n/t

Death_Claw April 11, 2014 03:41PM

Kevlar vests are legal to own and use in most states, unless you're a convicted felon.

vortexmagus April 11, 2014 09:24PM

Right, but adamantite is still banned. (n/t)

Matrik April 12, 2014 10:39AM

Rejoice! We already have the right to carry around high caliber rifles!

MiyagiYojimbo April 11, 2014 02:07PM

I'm pretty sure ammo with military grade penetration is restricted, though. (n/t)

vortexmagus April 11, 2014 03:16PM

You don't need it.

Death_Claw April 11, 2014 03:44PM

You don't need it.

Death_Claw April 11, 2014 03:44PM

Except fighting guns with guns wasn't his logic. Using guns to fight stronger opponent was his logic. (n/t)

Matrik April 10, 2014 12:10PM

agreed, the effort to damage ratio on guns far far outstrips a knife, this was like a 5 minute rampage and so far everyone has "survived" there would have been 10+ corpses if he had a gun and a principle couldn't have subdued him as easily (n/t)

Quas April 10, 2014 10:27AM

Why didn't he use a gun then?

Matrik April 10, 2014 11:16AM

there has not been enough information released to answer that question (n/t)

Quas April 10, 2014 11:51AM

Convenient. (n/t)

Matrik April 10, 2014 01:22PM

It was not all that long ago I was playing against that school or having practices at their fields (n/t)

Quas April 10, 2014 10:17AM

While both sides will pounce on this situation to prove their point, this rampage wasn't "deadly." (n/t)

wrathpuppet April 10, 2014 09:55AM

boo double post. (n/t)

Nurok April 10, 2014 09:57AM

Couple kids are eviscerated and its uncertain as to whether or not they will make it

Nurok April 10, 2014 09:57AM

Unless they're Ragers they shouldn't die from the bleeding at a healer.

wrathpuppet April 10, 2014 01:00PM

They might run out of gold (n/t)

Elystan April 10, 2014 01:04PM

Snakes don't kill people, people kill people.

Matrik April 10, 2014 10:11AM

Gravity saves WAY more than it kills, ban anti-gravity. (n/t)

NbM(VIP) April 10, 2014 10:14AM

Guns and knives also save lives!

Matrik April 10, 2014 11:14AM

No. That is wrong.

alansmithee April 10, 2014 12:41PM

What could possibly go wrong? (n/t)

Rhyaldrin April 12, 2014 12:07AM

I'm glad you feel that you should get to make that decision for us all, o wise one.

Doof April 11, 2014 11:38PM

I tend to agree with Miyagi.

Death_Claw April 10, 2014 04:15PM

WTF? Aren't you a lawyer?

MiyagiYojimbo April 10, 2014 03:36PM

I have no particularly strong opinions on the gun control debate, but

Dune April 12, 2014 05:46PM

Re: I have no particularly strong opinions on the gun control debate, but

MiyagiYojimbo April 13, 2014 01:44AM

Re: I have no particularly strong opinions on the gun control debate, but

Dune April 13, 2014 12:52PM

Re: I have no particularly strong opinions on the gun control debate, but

MiyagiYojimbo April 13, 2014 04:34PM

Only problem with that...

Matrik April 10, 2014 05:49PM

I agree

MiyagiYojimbo April 10, 2014 06:10PM

Well you're WRONG. Now is always the time to burn documents.

Matrik April 10, 2014 06:11PM

Crimeth incorporation defies and helps your cause at the same time. (n/t)

MiyagiYojimbo April 10, 2014 06:15PM

Don't you use your fancy word talk on me. Ain't gunna work.

Matrik April 10, 2014 06:38PM

Boat, boat... why not?

MiyagiYojimbo April 10, 2014 07:48PM

You know it's not that simple.

wrathpuppet April 10, 2014 03:51PM

It IS that simple.

Matrik April 10, 2014 05:52PM

Cognitive dissonance.

MiyagiYojimbo April 10, 2014 04:11PM

Wrathpuppet is right. This applies to both "sides" (n/t)

Matrik April 10, 2014 05:53PM

The point is that they feel the same way about your views.

wrathpuppet April 10, 2014 04:24PM

What if they really are that stupid though?

Matrik April 10, 2014 05:55PM

Debate nerdery

MiyagiYojimbo April 10, 2014 05:08PM

Heh, "Debate nerdery" "Colossus" (n/t)

Matrik April 10, 2014 05:57PM

Debate nerdery? WTF are you talking about? It's common sense.

wrathpuppet April 10, 2014 05:27PM

I'm sorry, from now on I won't take a side and instead just say both sides are stupid. That shows conviction.

MiyagiYojimbo April 10, 2014 06:04PM

It's not about conviction.

wrathpuppet April 11, 2014 04:17AM

Food for thought.

MiyagiYojimbo April 11, 2014 02:02PM

The issue is that you're not as clear as you think you are.

wrathpuppet April 11, 2014 09:03PM

You lose! (n/t)

MiyagiYojimbo April 12, 2014 12:32AM

You know I wasn't arguing with you, right?

wrathpuppet April 12, 2014 02:39AM

Oh no, sure you weren't.

MiyagiYojimbo April 12, 2014 02:49AM

Here's how it happened from my POV.

wrathpuppet April 12, 2014 03:31AM

We know how well laws keep people from doing things they shouldn't. (n/t)

Srev April 12, 2014 12:29PM

name calling (n/t)

Matrik April 12, 2014 10:38AM

Hmmm.. here's closer to the truth of the conversation.

MiyagiYojimbo April 12, 2014 06:03AM

And it's not about what the law actually says.

PaulO April 11, 2014 09:17AM

Anyone deciding based on fear on either side is a Tom Fool Uncle. (n/t)

Matrik April 10, 2014 05:58PM

More uses:

Matrik April 10, 2014 01:20PM

Guns have many uses. You are wrong.

Matrik April 10, 2014 01:05PM

Not counting intimidating someone into leaving you alone. n/t

Death_Claw April 10, 2014 04:16PM

That too.

Matrik April 10, 2014 05:46PM



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