Re: Isildur, please don't throw misinformation out on a subject I know much about.

January 13, 2008 09:19PM
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_Magus_
If you aren't positive, then don't say it's wrong. I am positive, however. Fat is a more complex source of energy, while muscle is readily available.
I knew my intuition wasn't wrong: [www.mhhe.com]

"...starvation takes about the same course and consists of three phases...In the second stage, which can last for several weeks, fats are the primary energy source...The third stage of starvation begins when the fat reserves are depleted and there is a switch to proteins as the major energy source. Muscles, the largest source of protein in the body, are rapidly depleted."

Also this: [www.library.csi.cuny.edu]

"Finally, the individual enters the prolonged starvation phase. Prolonged starvation is characterized by even less dependence upon gluconeogenesis, the energy needs of every tissue containing mitochondria being met to an even greater extent by either fatty acid or ketone body oxidation. As long as ketone body concentrations are high, proteolysis is restricted, and conservation of muscle proteins occurs. This continues until all the fat is gone, after which the body resorts solely to using muscle protein until death."

And this: [en.allexperts.com]

Guy asks "when people starve, at least initially, they loose MUSCLE, not fat." To which the expert responds: "The idea that people will lose lean muscle, initally, when on a 'starvation' diet cannot be considered accurate."

And finally: [strengthtraining.suite101.com]

"During cardiovascular exercise, the body will use glucose (carbohydrates) as the main energy source. The body will use fat as a secondary energy source. The body rarely, if ever, breaks down protein and uses it as an energy source.

The breaking down of body tissues is known as a catabolic process. For instance, if fat is to be used as an energy source, a fat cell is broken down into a fatty acid and glycerol. The glycerol can then be used for energy. Proteins, within the muscle, have to be broken down into peptide chains, then into amino acids and finally into glucose for energy."

That not only speaks against the idea that muscle is consumed before fat, it also describes the process by which each is consumed. Metabolizing protein sure sounds like a more involved process. We can also take a look at their chemical structures. I'm not a biochemist, but just looking at the pictures, the structure of a triglyceride looks a heck of a lot simpler than any of the protein models.

Fat: [en.wikipedia.org]
Proteins: [en.wikipedia.org]
Subject Author Posted

I'm trying to gain muscle mass and could use some tips

nightshade January 11, 2008 04:50PM

In the mean time, wear heavy boots or you might blow away with the wind!~

abernyte January 15, 2008 04:54AM

Normal healthy diet + protein shake/bar after heavier excercise will suffice

DurNominator(VIP) January 13, 2008 08:30AM

I was about the same...

Java January 15, 2008 12:13PM

Lift weights nt

entropissed January 13, 2008 07:27AM

Wow, tons of good information... thanks! Lets see how I'm doing with this so far...

nightshade January 12, 2008 12:49PM

Best advice I can give. From a Uni Nutrition student here.

cointreau January 13, 2008 11:45AM

Re: Best advice I can give. From a Uni Nutrition student here.

Bryan January 15, 2008 03:17PM

Re: Best advice I can give. From a Uni Nutrition student here.

cointreau January 15, 2008 05:34PM

Re: Best advice I can give. From a Uni Nutrition student here.

Bryan January 15, 2008 06:59PM

Re: Best advice I can give. From a Uni Nutrition student here.

cointreau January 15, 2008 09:44PM

Re: Best advice I can give. From a Uni Nutrition student here.

Isildur(VIP) January 16, 2008 10:31AM

You got it in one.

cointreau January 16, 2008 10:59AM

Re: You got it in one.

Isildur(VIP) January 16, 2008 11:54AM

I agree with this.

Death_Claw January 13, 2008 01:07PM

Best advice I've seen yet. Super Cosign. NT

Sam January 13, 2008 12:07PM

Some comments on that

cenatar January 12, 2008 05:08PM

Re: Some comments on that

Isildur(VIP) January 13, 2008 06:52AM

Re: Some comments on that

Bryan January 15, 2008 04:45PM

Re: Some comments on that

Isildur(VIP) January 16, 2008 07:07AM

Your comments are riddled with misinformation. ~

_Magus_ January 12, 2008 06:15PM

The thing is

cenatar January 13, 2008 01:54AM

Re: Wow, tons of good information... thanks! Lets see how I'm doing with this so far...

Bryan January 12, 2008 04:27PM

Re: Wow, tons of good information... thanks! Lets see how I'm doing with this so far...

_Magus_ January 12, 2008 02:53PM

Easy for CF workers:

Batman January 12, 2008 08:39AM

This is the most retarded post I've read yet...

_Magus_ January 12, 2008 10:24AM

Re: This is the most retarded post I've read yet...

Batman January 13, 2008 05:35AM

Diet =! fewer calories.

_Magus_ January 15, 2008 02:12PM

and here's why your post is perhaps more retarded. txt

Isildur(VIP) January 12, 2008 12:32PM

Isildur, please don't throw misinformation out on a subject I know much about.

_Magus_ January 12, 2008 02:46PM

Heh....You're honestly making yourself look like a dumbass.

Batman January 13, 2008 05:39AM

Re: Heh....You're honestly making yourself look like a dumbass.

_Magus_ January 15, 2008 02:18PM

Re: Isildur, please don't throw misinformation out on a subject I know much about.

Isildur(VIP) January 12, 2008 07:53PM

Re: Isildur, please don't throw misinformation out on a subject I know much about.

Bryan January 12, 2008 08:36PM

Furthermore

_Magus_ January 12, 2008 08:18PM

Re: Isildur, please don't throw misinformation out on a subject I know much about.

_Magus_ January 12, 2008 08:14PM

Re: Isildur, please don't throw misinformation out on a subject I know much about.

Isildur(VIP) January 12, 2008 08:20PM

Re: Isildur, please don't throw misinformation out on a subject I know much about.

_Magus_ January 12, 2008 08:32PM

Re: Isildur, please don't throw misinformation out on a subject I know much about.

Isildur(VIP) January 13, 2008 04:52AM

Re: Isildur, please don't throw misinformation out on a subject I know much about.

_Magus_ January 13, 2008 09:41AM

Re: Isildur, please don't throw misinformation out on a subject I know much about.

Isildur(VIP) January 13, 2008 11:02AM

Re: Isildur, please don't throw misinformation out on a subject I know much about.

_Magus_ January 13, 2008 04:07PM

Re: Isildur, please don't throw misinformation out on a subject I know much about.

Isildur(VIP) January 13, 2008 09:19PM

The problem with your argument is you're referring to starvation.

_Magus_ January 13, 2008 09:39PM

Two things.

Death_Claw January 14, 2008 05:26AM

Fat's primary function is to prevent you from starving and insulate you.

Death_Claw January 13, 2008 01:03PM

You're an idiot.

Death_Claw January 13, 2008 10:10AM

Re: You're an idiot.

_Magus_ January 13, 2008 10:37AM

Re: You're an idiot.

Death_Claw January 13, 2008 10:50AM

Re: You're an idiot.

_Magus_ January 13, 2008 11:14AM

Re: You're an idiot.

Death_Claw January 13, 2008 12:58PM

Re: (something other than original title, heh)

_Magus_ January 13, 2008 01:25PM

You're not getting it...

Death_Claw January 13, 2008 04:37PM

Re: You're not getting it...

_Magus_ January 13, 2008 05:16PM

And the opposite of that is true...

_Magus_ January 13, 2008 05:19PM

Magus is owned. nt

The Forsaken(VIP) January 13, 2008 06:09AM

Wow, you're fucking retarded. It's awesome to see majority of VIP's do is troll.

_Magus_ January 13, 2008 09:41AM

You deserve it though?

Sam January 13, 2008 11:41AM

About nuts

cenatar January 13, 2008 05:21AM

Cenatar is an expert on nuts. huhuhuhuhuh. nt

Isildur(VIP) January 13, 2008 10:41AM

Re: and here's why your post is perhaps more retarded. txt

Bryan January 12, 2008 01:34PM

Re: and here's why your post is perhaps more retarded. txt

Batman January 13, 2008 05:37AM

Re: and here's why your post is perhaps more retarded. txt

Bryan January 15, 2008 05:16PM

I gotta call bullshit on that one. Building muscle mass all you gotta do is work out.

Sam January 12, 2008 04:56PM

By the way, who the fuck are you? Prothero?

_Magus_ January 12, 2008 06:24PM

He's AA. nt

DurNominator(VIP) January 14, 2008 11:57AM

CHAR ASSASSINATION! ARGGGGGGGGGGGH CHEATING VIP FAGS!

Sam January 14, 2008 06:42PM

Oh, that explains it. Just as fucking annoying.

_Magus_ January 14, 2008 01:45PM

What's that make you? A baby on an airplane, or something like that?

Sam January 16, 2008 02:56PM

Whatever is worse than that in your own mind, that's what you are. :-P

_Magus_ January 16, 2008 06:22PM

Nope.

Pro January 14, 2008 10:55AM

You'll put on crappy, stringy, undeveloped muscles. Sure.

_Magus_ January 12, 2008 06:13PM

Healthy is a completely different question assclown.

Sam January 12, 2008 08:25PM

Re: Healthy is a completely different question assclown.

Bryan January 12, 2008 08:47PM

Quit changing the subject away from you being a tool, toolbox nt

NbM January 13, 2008 11:20AM

You're ignorant. nt

Bryan January 12, 2008 05:28PM

Not really. I use my own personal experience to come to that conclusion.

Sam January 12, 2008 06:10PM

You're 5'8 190 something? Your personal experience doesn't say much. nt

Bryan January 12, 2008 06:51PM

There's nothing wrong with those measurements, without more info. txt

Isildur(VIP) January 13, 2008 05:37AM

Except he posted for the biggest looser forum...

Bryan January 15, 2008 03:22PM

I wouldn't ever describe me as fatass. Anymore than you like being called a roided out fool. NT

Sam January 16, 2008 03:58PM

Good thing I'm not on juice.If I was, I would be fucking huge, tempting though. nt

Bryan January 16, 2008 04:53PM

Yup, silly random fuk Bryan doesn't know what the hell he is talking about

NbM January 13, 2008 11:22AM

Heh, you're pretty fucking immature.

_Magus_ January 13, 2008 04:09PM

NT above, and NT here too nt

NbM January 13, 2008 05:50PM

I was 155 in High School and could run a five minute mile if pressed.

Sam January 12, 2008 08:21PM

Re: I was 155 in High School and could run a five minute mile if pressed.

Bryan January 12, 2008 08:36PM

Nice last word. My last word is bigger and better, however. NT

Sam January 12, 2008 09:03PM

You seem to think your own personal experience describes everyone elses. Wrong. nt

nightshade January 12, 2008 06:29PM

When did I say that?

Sam January 12, 2008 08:22PM

You've stated at least three times

nightshade January 13, 2008 05:45AM

You sir, are a dumbass.

_Magus_ January 12, 2008 06:14PM

Hahah, says the man who admittedly has to result to roids to get results? nt

NbM January 12, 2008 02:01PM

Re: Hahah, says the man who admittedly has to result to roids to get results? nt

Bryan January 12, 2008 02:43PM

Yup, I am lazy and a fatass, you sure did your homework champ

NbM January 12, 2008 07:45PM

Re: Yup, I am lazy and a fatass, you sure did your homework champ

Bryan January 12, 2008 08:47PM

So basically

NbM January 13, 2008 12:24PM

And you have nothing better to say than be a lame troll?

_Magus_ January 13, 2008 04:11PM

Awww, wittle magus finks he's tough? How cute nt

NbM January 13, 2008 05:10PM

Yup. That's why I thought. Troll.

_Magus_ January 13, 2008 05:24PM

You want me to say something constructive?

NbM January 13, 2008 05:47PM

Re: You want me to say something constructive?

Bryan January 15, 2008 07:59PM

Say whatever you want, you don't know shit and a still a fag, simple really nt

NbM January 16, 2008 01:53PM

Yup, just what I thought. You have nothing. Except to troll. Useless is the best word for you. nt

Bryan January 16, 2008 04:54PM

You have no clue who I am

NbM January 18, 2008 10:25AM

Takes a troll to know a troll.

_Magus_ January 18, 2008 12:18PM

Says the roid rager who threatened to full sac everyone on the main board, hurray for turdburglers

NbM January 19, 2008 06:09AM

rofl, you have no clue.

_Magus_ January 19, 2008 04:38PM

No clue that it was just to get a rise, like most of your posts? nah, I didn't know that nt

NbM January 21, 2008 05:23PM

Any thing you'd say wouldn't be constructive... since you don't know shit about it.

_Magus_ January 13, 2008 07:39PM

Keep being gay small nuts. Have fun with your roids. NT

Sam January 12, 2008 09:05PM

Really shows how uneducated you are about steroids. ~

_Magus_ January 12, 2008 10:25PM

You keep saying that

NbM January 13, 2008 06:16PM

I haven't ever taken steroids. But at least I'm educated about them.

_Magus_ January 13, 2008 07:40PM

The media? Jesus you idiot, how about multiple medical studies, fag nt

NbM January 13, 2008 08:02PM

Again, you're just reciting outdated media hooplah.

_Magus_ January 13, 2008 08:24PM

Here you go, winner

NbM January 13, 2008 08:49PM

yup, dumbass.

Bryan January 15, 2008 07:33PM

Dirty roider. NT

Sam January 16, 2008 02:54PM

*yawn* Tell me, is ignorance blissful?

_Magus_ January 17, 2008 01:36AM

You would know better than I. NT

Sam January 17, 2008 02:35AM

Good one, captain hilarious.

_Magus_ January 18, 2008 12:19PM

ROFL

_Magus_ January 13, 2008 09:02PM

Wow, roid ragers.

NbM January 13, 2008 09:16PM

Heh, roid ragers. I noticed after I hit post. I'm a loser. ~

_Magus_ January 13, 2008 09:25PM

err. Diet = results. nt.

Hobotora January 12, 2008 12:48PM

Stay lean.

Hobotora January 11, 2008 10:26PM

Lot's of info here... Will try to clean it up for you.

Bryan January 11, 2008 09:16PM

Stick with the basic exercises first.

_Magus_ January 11, 2008 07:40PM

Supplements

_Magus_ January 11, 2008 08:13PM

Re: Supplements

Bryan January 11, 2008 08:28PM

Re: Supplements

_Magus_ January 11, 2008 08:29PM

Re: Supplements

Bryan January 11, 2008 08:32PM

Oh, and as an aside...

_Magus_ January 11, 2008 07:48PM

Calories, protein, and creatine

bobbyp January 11, 2008 06:59PM

Re: Calories, protein, and creatine

Bryan January 11, 2008 08:11PM

As an aside, SizeOn creatine sucks ass compared to others.

_Magus_ January 11, 2008 08:00PM

I'm using cellmass as my post workout drink...

Bryan January 11, 2008 08:13PM

Re: I'm using cellmass as my post workout drink...

_Magus_ January 11, 2008 08:15PM

Dude. He's 122lbs. Fuck the cardio.

_Magus_ January 11, 2008 07:59PM

Calories, calories, calories...

Bryan January 11, 2008 06:11PM

Re: I'm trying to gain muscle mass and could use some tips

tuyhon January 11, 2008 05:19PM



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