I can't find a source for the South Korean study at all, despite looking through the university - So I'd say instead use the mythbuster episode.

November 14, 2012 03:45PM
"Seven small greenhouses were set up on the M5 Industries roof. Four were set up with stereos playing endlessly looping recordings (as having the Mythbusters actually talk to the plants could contaminate the samples with their expelled carbon dioxide): Two of negative speech, two of positive speech (Kari and Scottie each made one positive and one negative soundtrack), a fifth with classical music and a sixth with intense death metal music. A seventh greenhouse, used as a control sample, had no stereo. The greenhouses with the recordings of speech grew better than the control, regardless of whether such talk was kind or angry. The plants in the greenhouse with the recording of classical music grew better, while the plants in the greenhouse with the recording of intense death metal grew best of all."

Now, what about this shows positive music? Nothing. What it shows instead is something more plausible: plants are effected by vibration. They, as plants, would have no idea between the different kinds of music - but if you can provide lots of vibration (death metal) you could increase their growth. In short, it has nothing to do with music, but has much more to do with vibration. This is how I'd LIKE people to think - Research it, find something plausible, and don't take a bad news article with no sources at its word. All in all, that doesn't show any sort of positive energy, or that prayer or good thoughts help crops grow - so you'd need to find another one for that claim.


In terms of animals, I honestly can't say for sure. I haven't done much research there, but I will gladly offer up my GUESSES on it. Animals that are treated 'well' tend to have less hormones and chemicals applied to them. Thus they come out less produced. Otherwise, I can see nothing about how you treat an animal (apart from possibly bruising the meat or some such) that would make 'treating it well' make it tastier.

The haunted deal I would say is more involved with the individual experiencing it, since there is no objective proof of any sort of haunting to date - Meaning it's all in the observer's mind, similar to what Vortex said about associative feelings and locations. That's what I lean towards.


Thanks again for sharing :->.


So I don't really buy into either of those - and I'm not (obbbbvviousssllyy) a fan of the supernatural. I think there is NOTHING beyond the natural. Everything has a natural cause, and extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. This is a result of all the crap I read, despite me reading way too many religious pieces, but I find it the most logical method of thinking - Proof is a good thing.






Carl sagan time?

Carl sagan time.





"I try not to think with my gut. If I'm serious about understanding the world, thinking with anything besides my brain, as tempting as that might be, is likely to get me into trouble. Really, it's okay to reserve judgment until the evidence is in. "

"Widespread intellectual and moral docility may be convenient for leaders in the short term, but it is suicidal for nations in the long term. One of the criteria for national leadership should therefore be a talent for understanding, encouraging, and making constructive use of vigorous criticism. "






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Do you Christians believe in demons?

cenatar November 13, 2012 11:22AM

Yes and No.

tesline November 14, 2012 07:25AM

That's exactly the wrong position to take in any discussion. You present what you think AND you WILL/MUST face criticism for that, it's helps you evaluate yourself.

Batman November 14, 2012 08:22AM

I would normally give my opinion but the problem is I have found there is nothing to be gained. Both sides are too stupid to figure out a correct answer either way. I have honestly lost all hope for humanity. nt

tesline November 14, 2012 09:25AM

I would say the only hope to be lost is when people start not presenting their ideas. That's just silly. There is something to gain. You better knowing how to present yourself, others knowing better what people think.

Batman November 14, 2012 10:48AM

Non-Drivel

chuntog November 14, 2012 12:21PM

Your approval is all I dream of at night in my heathen dreams.

Batman November 14, 2012 02:00PM

That's silly, heathens don't dream.

chuntog November 14, 2012 02:39PM

;__; NT

Batman November 14, 2012 02:48PM

I guess I feel unconfortable because.

tesline November 14, 2012 01:11PM

You hit on something here that I was going to reply about higher up in the thread...

Rade November 14, 2012 08:04PM

I have battled with this for over 8 years.

tesline November 14, 2012 09:06PM

Depends on your definition...

Rade November 15, 2012 05:02AM

" I have a very hard time believing in a God but I watch events around me and run the statistical probablity of such events happening how they do" wat thefuck am i reading

Blackbird November 14, 2012 06:40PM

So you haven't got it all figured out?

chuntog November 14, 2012 02:37PM

I, too, have faith in the computational relationships of our disparate atoms.

Splntrd November 14, 2012 02:22PM

That's a good way to think, but you could always prescribe to a more naturalist determinism. NT

Batman November 14, 2012 01:59PM

I sure do. De mon is de one keeping us down. (n/t)

TaterPig November 14, 2012 07:56AM

None but ourselves can free our minds. Have no fear from atomic energy, cause none of them-a can-a stop-a de time. (n/t)

MiyagiYojimbo November 14, 2012 12:19PM

There is only one sure way to get rid of demons...

Matrik November 14, 2012 05:07AM

Beware vidya game demons.

Batman November 14, 2012 01:11AM

First off, the comment is fantastic.

Sam November 14, 2012 08:43AM

I'm curious as to what you mean by energy.

Batman November 14, 2012 10:53AM

Alright then (long-winded, possibly delusional reply coming)...

Sam November 14, 2012 11:25AM

I believe in negativity and positivity.

vortexmagus November 14, 2012 03:18PM

I was more talking about the Island I saw off the coast of Maine that a single, black schoolhouse/church on it.

Sam November 14, 2012 04:00PM

I heard that if children play death metal while smoking weed they'll grow really tall. (n/t)

RobDarken November 14, 2012 04:07PM

I think this is an actual fact...

Sam November 14, 2012 04:16PM

Some thoughts.

Batman November 14, 2012 02:47PM

Well (a few things)...

Sam November 14, 2012 03:13PM

I can't find a source for the South Korean study at all, despite looking through the university - So I'd say instead use the mythbuster episode.

Batman November 14, 2012 03:45PM

But that's kinda my point.

Sam November 14, 2012 03:58PM

Lego ergo sum, cogito ergo creo.

Batman November 14, 2012 04:05PM

Lego myum eggo (n/t)

MiyagiYojimbo November 14, 2012 06:09PM

Gimme an hour or two to craft something thoughtful ;)

Sam November 14, 2012 04:15PM

I never use pot for it, alas. I always just....Do it. Most high people I've tried to talk to on ANY philosophical basis (and it's normally them asking me)

Batman November 14, 2012 04:37PM

There was once a demon that lived in my butt

Demtok November 13, 2012 02:36PM

Re: Do you Christians believe in demons?

Isildur(VIP) November 13, 2012 02:00PM

If a christian doesn't believe in demons, they cannot believe in angels

Stevers November 13, 2012 12:58PM

Also something I never understood about Christianity.

vortexmagus November 13, 2012 12:45PM

The main issue re: Devil = Evil is that he "betrayed" God even though he was God's most favored angel.

Sam November 14, 2012 08:45AM

Also I don't get why people follow the bible it is a load of stories to guide people not to take literal interpritations and apply it to whatever cause you want. nt

tesline November 14, 2012 09:27AM

Assume the Bible says that "Thou shalt not kill" is a commandment of god. Should I be taking that metaphorically, should I be saying "well that's just a guiding principle" or should I be taking it as holy words.

Batman November 14, 2012 10:55AM

The latter as well.

tesline November 14, 2012 12:52PM

Are you being facetious here?

Quas November 14, 2012 09:45AM

Re: Also something I never understood about Christianity.

Artificial November 13, 2012 12:48PM

I believe everyone has their own demon(s). (n/t)

Frosty November 13, 2012 12:11PM

Christianity and the Belief in Demons

Splntrd November 13, 2012 11:49AM

Eh, sorta

silvian November 13, 2012 11:43AM

People still do rain dances, so I find it hard personally to flat out deny rain dances work. (n/t)

Artificial November 13, 2012 12:07PM

Yeah and I'm sure Hurricane Sandy was just happenstance

silvian November 13, 2012 12:23PM

Which one of you New Yorkers danced that rain dance?

DurNominator(VIP) November 13, 2012 05:42PM

You'd be surprised at what people think about that. Go to google, check the results when you type "hurricane sandy was" and you'll see as top results:

Batman November 13, 2012 12:55PM

http://gawker.com/5955759/how-the-gays-obama-and-h aarp-caused-hurricane-sandy-the-webs-best-frankens torm-conspiracy-theories

Artificial November 13, 2012 12:59PM

My demon walks beside me. It's a ring-tailed lemur. (n/t)

BattleCharmed November 13, 2012 11:30AM

Mine walks beside me as well, it's a feel.

Batman November 13, 2012 11:46AM



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