You hit on something here that I was going to reply about higher up in the thread...

November 14, 2012 08:04PM
First a brief history lesson. Sir Isaac Newton is perhaps the smartest person to ever live on this planet. He discovered the laws of optics, the laws of motion, the universal law of gravitation... and then a friend of his asked "Why are the planets' orbits elliptical instead of circular?" So he basically went off for a few months, invented integral and differential calculus, and solved the question of why planets have elliptical orbits. THEN, he turned 26.

Imagine that amazing brain. Now.. if you read his writings you'll find that when he reached the end of his understandings of the universe.. in particular when he thought about how complex it would be to calculate all of the gravitational forces of all the planets, solar systems, etc. to very very accurately predict orbits he basically threw up his hands and said it was the realm of god.

Now, some 300 years later, we have powerful computers that can simulate and calculate these things very easily. It's practically child's play for the modern astrophysicist.. none of whom alive today are one tenth as smart as Newton.

This, for all intents and purposes, is a "god of the gaps". That is to say, we attribute things we don't understand to the supernatural. It's our scape-goat. It's the cop-out we use as an excuse not to push ourselves further to understand the world around us. It's taking this leap towards faith.. for no real reason than our own ignorance, that we *leave* rational though behind. There's nothing wrong with not understanding something and admitting it.

As for the improbable things happening so often.. well the Universe is quite large. Unimaginably large. Very very infrequent things happen all the time. Here's an example. Supernovas happen about twice per century in our galaxy. That's pretty darn infrequent. Our galaxy is so huge, about a trillion stars, and in all that space and all those stars it happens so incredibly infrequently. So how do astrophysicists study such a rare occurrence, or for that matter even know that they exist? Luckily the universe is HUGE HUGE HUGE! There's approximately 30-40 billion spiral galaxies similar to ours in the universe. That means a supernova happens every couple seconds somewhere in the universe. The group that monitors visible supernovas (visible with our most powerful telescopes) sends out notifications of about 150 supernovas every year.

There's billions of people on this planet and we've been around for millions of years. Really really rare occurrences are going to happen pretty darn frequently over such a huge sample size.



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Do you Christians believe in demons?

cenatar November 13, 2012 11:22AM

Yes and No.

tesline November 14, 2012 07:25AM

That's exactly the wrong position to take in any discussion. You present what you think AND you WILL/MUST face criticism for that, it's helps you evaluate yourself.

Batman November 14, 2012 08:22AM

I would normally give my opinion but the problem is I have found there is nothing to be gained. Both sides are too stupid to figure out a correct answer either way. I have honestly lost all hope for humanity. nt

tesline November 14, 2012 09:25AM

I would say the only hope to be lost is when people start not presenting their ideas. That's just silly. There is something to gain. You better knowing how to present yourself, others knowing better what people think.

Batman November 14, 2012 10:48AM

Non-Drivel

chuntog November 14, 2012 12:21PM

Your approval is all I dream of at night in my heathen dreams.

Batman November 14, 2012 02:00PM

That's silly, heathens don't dream.

chuntog November 14, 2012 02:39PM

;__; NT

Batman November 14, 2012 02:48PM

I guess I feel unconfortable because.

tesline November 14, 2012 01:11PM

You hit on something here that I was going to reply about higher up in the thread...

Rade November 14, 2012 08:04PM

I have battled with this for over 8 years.

tesline November 14, 2012 09:06PM

Depends on your definition...

Rade November 15, 2012 05:02AM

" I have a very hard time believing in a God but I watch events around me and run the statistical probablity of such events happening how they do" wat thefuck am i reading

Blackbird November 14, 2012 06:40PM

So you haven't got it all figured out?

chuntog November 14, 2012 02:37PM

I, too, have faith in the computational relationships of our disparate atoms.

Splntrd November 14, 2012 02:22PM

That's a good way to think, but you could always prescribe to a more naturalist determinism. NT

Batman November 14, 2012 01:59PM

I sure do. De mon is de one keeping us down. (n/t)

TaterPig November 14, 2012 07:56AM

None but ourselves can free our minds. Have no fear from atomic energy, cause none of them-a can-a stop-a de time. (n/t)

MiyagiYojimbo November 14, 2012 12:19PM

There is only one sure way to get rid of demons...

Matrik November 14, 2012 05:07AM

Beware vidya game demons.

Batman November 14, 2012 01:11AM

First off, the comment is fantastic.

Sam November 14, 2012 08:43AM

I'm curious as to what you mean by energy.

Batman November 14, 2012 10:53AM

Alright then (long-winded, possibly delusional reply coming)...

Sam November 14, 2012 11:25AM

I believe in negativity and positivity.

vortexmagus November 14, 2012 03:18PM

I was more talking about the Island I saw off the coast of Maine that a single, black schoolhouse/church on it.

Sam November 14, 2012 04:00PM

I heard that if children play death metal while smoking weed they'll grow really tall. (n/t)

RobDarken November 14, 2012 04:07PM

I think this is an actual fact...

Sam November 14, 2012 04:16PM

Some thoughts.

Batman November 14, 2012 02:47PM

Well (a few things)...

Sam November 14, 2012 03:13PM

I can't find a source for the South Korean study at all, despite looking through the university - So I'd say instead use the mythbuster episode.

Batman November 14, 2012 03:45PM

But that's kinda my point.

Sam November 14, 2012 03:58PM

Lego ergo sum, cogito ergo creo.

Batman November 14, 2012 04:05PM

Lego myum eggo (n/t)

MiyagiYojimbo November 14, 2012 06:09PM

Gimme an hour or two to craft something thoughtful ;)

Sam November 14, 2012 04:15PM

I never use pot for it, alas. I always just....Do it. Most high people I've tried to talk to on ANY philosophical basis (and it's normally them asking me)

Batman November 14, 2012 04:37PM

There was once a demon that lived in my butt

Demtok November 13, 2012 02:36PM

Re: Do you Christians believe in demons?

Isildur(VIP) November 13, 2012 02:00PM

If a christian doesn't believe in demons, they cannot believe in angels

Stevers November 13, 2012 12:58PM

Also something I never understood about Christianity.

vortexmagus November 13, 2012 12:45PM

The main issue re: Devil = Evil is that he "betrayed" God even though he was God's most favored angel.

Sam November 14, 2012 08:45AM

Also I don't get why people follow the bible it is a load of stories to guide people not to take literal interpritations and apply it to whatever cause you want. nt

tesline November 14, 2012 09:27AM

Assume the Bible says that "Thou shalt not kill" is a commandment of god. Should I be taking that metaphorically, should I be saying "well that's just a guiding principle" or should I be taking it as holy words.

Batman November 14, 2012 10:55AM

The latter as well.

tesline November 14, 2012 12:52PM

Are you being facetious here?

Quas November 14, 2012 09:45AM

Re: Also something I never understood about Christianity.

Artificial November 13, 2012 12:48PM

I believe everyone has their own demon(s). (n/t)

Frosty November 13, 2012 12:11PM

Christianity and the Belief in Demons

Splntrd November 13, 2012 11:49AM

Eh, sorta

silvian November 13, 2012 11:43AM

People still do rain dances, so I find it hard personally to flat out deny rain dances work. (n/t)

Artificial November 13, 2012 12:07PM

Yeah and I'm sure Hurricane Sandy was just happenstance

silvian November 13, 2012 12:23PM

Which one of you New Yorkers danced that rain dance?

DurNominator(VIP) November 13, 2012 05:42PM

You'd be surprised at what people think about that. Go to google, check the results when you type "hurricane sandy was" and you'll see as top results:

Batman November 13, 2012 12:55PM

http://gawker.com/5955759/how-the-gays-obama-and-h aarp-caused-hurricane-sandy-the-webs-best-frankens torm-conspiracy-theories

Artificial November 13, 2012 12:59PM

My demon walks beside me. It's a ring-tailed lemur. (n/t)

BattleCharmed November 13, 2012 11:30AM

Mine walks beside me as well, it's a feel.

Batman November 13, 2012 11:46AM



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