Mostly nothing KILLS them, but some can BEAT them

March 29, 2015 05:37PM
Admittedly, these are two different things.

With edges and gear to cover dex/str loss, they'll evade enough lag to flee if you're outdamaging them and they're low. After that, they quaff. Thus nothing truly kills them except for the following:

1) Evil conjurer, with or without gaunt, mostly with, as they can avoid the fight without. Now, the gaunt has to be extremely strong or they have to be beat up, but if it works, it's death. A buff devil can work, even demon if you're lucky, but it's far from guaranteed as they may just avoid fighting you.
2) Binder/trapper/poisoner. First might make flee impossible and with prep just outdamage while cheapshotting post vuln-backstab, second can lay enough for immolation to finish (of course, preventing the elf going under water/healing at the healer is essential. Pepper dust and knowing his recall comes to mind.) Third can almost outright kill them, albeit it requires a specific set of knowledge and circumstances.
3) Polearm basher, giant or non-giant, can work just well enough for them to die. Bash and cutoff come into picture when they're at bleeding or worse, before that you're bursting. Giant imho is harder because of how fast STSF will build up. Mace/polearm comes to mind - drum the vuln, switch to polearm, bash. Shouldn't be overly hard to finish if bash lands.
4) Competent orc _if he's lucky_ - notice the lucky part, everything has to go his way, like savage feeding going off at least twice and the bash not missing.
5) Competent druid on a full moon.
6) However unlikely it is to catch them in the woods, but waylay inducing flee into snare, ambush will kill all PCs in the mud, including STSF elves, especially when it's unexpected. Finding out their prep spots and being extremely patient is key here of course. They need to not see you for this to work. You need to stay camo in a single spot for RL hours sometimes. This is not for everyone.

Some builds that can try a straight melee contest and have a slight chance of winning, but have low hopes of killing. Like shifter for example before charges build up (second fight is a bad idea.) Or a battle transmuter who gets lucky with neuro, again, only in the first battle. And of course, you'd do soften, disrupt, disrupt, and then try neuro for the finish, bailing if it fails and avoiding the fight for the login because you're getting mauled too fast in a second bout.

Overall, if they have stats covered (and three people specifically called out do) it's extremely hard to kill them. Especially Liantae. That bastard fled from me (across chars) no less than ten times at writhing/convulsing, never to be seen again until full health. Some of the above tactics were tried, but if they're paranoid about dying, it's really really hard to kill them.
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Theorycrafting time: what beats these STSF dex warriors

torak March 29, 2015 03:42PM

Some tips from my time playing Altariel

starbright March 30, 2015 10:52AM

very spot on

Quas March 30, 2015 11:30AM

Re: Some tips from my time playing Altariel

FrostyTheGiant March 30, 2015 11:20AM

Aoirse did pretty good against Marintok (with lots of kills)

loknim March 30, 2015 08:24AM

Think that Marintok didn't kick until later

torak March 30, 2015 10:08AM

It was two things

Quas March 30, 2015 10:12AM

Aoirse

loknim March 30, 2015 12:55PM

I could see weaponbreaker being a great skill against STSF sword with your build if timed right

TJHuron March 30, 2015 02:11PM

Simply put...

FrostyTheGiant March 30, 2015 02:17PM

Re: Simply put...

Quas March 30, 2015 02:26PM

Just about everything on your list

Quas March 30, 2015 03:37AM

I wouldn't say I beat them regularly

daurwyn(VIP) March 30, 2015 02:56AM

Two handed paladins rips them apart. Killing them on the other hand is harder. (n/t)

Cerunnir March 30, 2015 02:48AM

I would throw Monks in with this. I was never scared of Liantae. Avoid, Anticipate and Intensify. I would always land more hits than would get riposted. (n/t)

Spronti March 31, 2015 06:39PM

Re: Theorycrafting time: what beats these STSF dex warriors

stlucian2debone March 29, 2015 10:26PM

Mostly nothing KILLS them, but some can BEAT them

Tadam March 29, 2015 05:37PM

You're insane if you think a nightgaunt is ever going to get a hero warrior, let alone a sword spec. Even edged my gaunts could only occasionally get a hero svirf non sword. (n/t)

Artificial March 29, 2015 07:12PM

I played Quarissa

Tadam March 30, 2015 06:11AM

Sorry, this came out wrong. Details within

Tadam March 30, 2015 08:48AM

I just glanced through but I didn't notice any prominent dexy stsf elves. I don't count Rylium, he wasn't too pk savvy. (n/t)

FrostyTheGiant March 30, 2015 10:31AM

One thing to consider with this info is that some of those people could have used the succumb command

TJHuron March 30, 2015 08:54AM

I also did it plenty with a low chr/int neutral conjurer

Quas March 30, 2015 08:12AM

It's also incredibly fragile

torak March 30, 2015 09:19PM

Maybe, but that didn't stop it from getting me hundreds of kills over 3 non good conjies with them

Quas March 31, 2015 03:14AM

You are doing it wrong (n/t)

Quas March 30, 2015 05:54AM

Disagree Shifters.... you don't win in melee. I can't think of a form that'd do well here, even with a/b/s.

Zruulg March 29, 2015 05:09PM

I've posted about this a number of times, so I'm reposting my own words and adding some extra.

FrostyTheGiant March 29, 2015 04:39PM

Very good analysis, agreed. (n/t)

starbright March 30, 2015 04:22AM

Something that's unpredictable. (n/t)

Frosty March 29, 2015 04:14PM

Orc depending on gear, Rangers if they land the ambush, Ice Devil conjurer, bout it in times of straight brute force. NT

Sam March 29, 2015 03:59PM

Burst damage. Stack dam roll, cry of thunder, flurry/drum and hope for the best.

Rhyaldrin March 29, 2015 03:54PM

i tried that and typically died from 3 rounds of melee.

The Forsaken March 30, 2015 04:41AM

More preps. (n/t)

Rhyaldrin March 30, 2015 06:18AM



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