Some tips from my time playing Altariel

March 30, 2015 10:52AM
Hoysepis stomped me completely. He would fly in with semi-preps - likely aura/shield, which you can keep up almost all the time, and smash me a few times with silverback gorilla form. If I were prepped and ready, STSF would charge up in ~10+ rounds and he would leave and not re-engage for the next half a day or a day.

If I weren't ready, he'd outdamage me easily and I would be forced to flee. I don't have enough preps to constantly be prepped against an air form dropping on me, so he beat me around pretty badly. I would head straight for the Underdark every time he started jumping on me, because I wasn't about to kill him if I were prepped.

So air/off catching STSF unprepped = air/off wins.

Same principle goes for overwhelming offence - big damage warriors would easily destroy me if I were unprepped. For example, Aoirse would easily beat me with polearm/critical if I'm not prepped. However because of mobility, I had the advantage, since I could chase if I got the upper hand, and flee if I didn't. Raeth also did well because a single ambush on an unprepped foe would deal ~500 hp damage, and each serpentstrike would take ~150. STSF isn't reliable for evading direct damage (I very, very seldom saw it fire), nor are evade/parry anything, contrary to popular belief.

Malediction builds (Magner) would beat me if I didn't have absolutely top-end gear. Most STSF sword warriors are not going to have that. Liantae is probably played by an exceptionally strong player, so that is an outlier. I would estimate myself on the higher end of players as well, so Altariel would also be an outlier.


Caster types:

I didn't have problems with shamans. ~50 svs, whips, lash, and offhand would make it a generally bad idea for most shamans to attempt fighting me. I imagine the same goes for Liantae (pincer) and Xeneth (crushingblow). Druids were also quite easy with non-metal whip/flail.

Transmuters might have a good shot, depending on my svs/svpar. Never had to fight one though. Competent conjurer would destroy me - Twilbo did, when his archangel was happy with spells. Same would go for devil conjurer or challegha conjurer. Dispel the resist/stoneskin/protection and go to town.

Necro would have a hard time since the army cannot get past swords, and only crimson/poison/pwdecay check CON instead of svs. Surprisingly few necros used that on low-con STSF warriors. Instead I keep seeing necros use power word kill or weaken or something - Khalmarnasa I'm looking at you :-)

I didn't fight invokers, but a good invoker would easily destroy me with just A/S - needs rain of stone and shield of slime. Fortunately I never had to fight a competent invoker with rain/quicksand/slime. If I played Volker (Scion invoker) against Altariel, Altariel wouldn't have a chance outside of a shameless gank - and even then, if the gankers triggered shield of electricity Volker might just end up beating them all up between rain/elec/pillar. Volker was easily my most overpowered character though.

High damage paladins would beat me.


The trick with building a good STSF sword spec is your second spec. The second spec needs to be excellent at offence and also lag well - Liantae had axe, Altariel had whip. This way you can destroy the people who counter your sword spec (non-melee caster/communer types) with overwhelming offence.

STSF elf is a very strong build, and quite fun to play. You should try it some time. I recommend dark-elf STSF sword/axe Imperial. Maybe take Riddle.
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Theorycrafting time: what beats these STSF dex warriors

torak March 29, 2015 03:42PM

Some tips from my time playing Altariel

starbright March 30, 2015 10:52AM

very spot on

Quas March 30, 2015 11:30AM

Re: Some tips from my time playing Altariel

FrostyTheGiant March 30, 2015 11:20AM

Aoirse did pretty good against Marintok (with lots of kills)

loknim March 30, 2015 08:24AM

Think that Marintok didn't kick until later

torak March 30, 2015 10:08AM

It was two things

Quas March 30, 2015 10:12AM

Aoirse

loknim March 30, 2015 12:55PM

I could see weaponbreaker being a great skill against STSF sword with your build if timed right

TJHuron March 30, 2015 02:11PM

Simply put...

FrostyTheGiant March 30, 2015 02:17PM

Re: Simply put...

Quas March 30, 2015 02:26PM

Just about everything on your list

Quas March 30, 2015 03:37AM

I wouldn't say I beat them regularly

daurwyn(VIP) March 30, 2015 02:56AM

Two handed paladins rips them apart. Killing them on the other hand is harder. (n/t)

Cerunnir March 30, 2015 02:48AM

I would throw Monks in with this. I was never scared of Liantae. Avoid, Anticipate and Intensify. I would always land more hits than would get riposted. (n/t)

Spronti March 31, 2015 06:39PM

Re: Theorycrafting time: what beats these STSF dex warriors

stlucian2debone March 29, 2015 10:26PM

Mostly nothing KILLS them, but some can BEAT them

Tadam March 29, 2015 05:37PM

You're insane if you think a nightgaunt is ever going to get a hero warrior, let alone a sword spec. Even edged my gaunts could only occasionally get a hero svirf non sword. (n/t)

Artificial March 29, 2015 07:12PM

I played Quarissa

Tadam March 30, 2015 06:11AM

Sorry, this came out wrong. Details within

Tadam March 30, 2015 08:48AM

I just glanced through but I didn't notice any prominent dexy stsf elves. I don't count Rylium, he wasn't too pk savvy. (n/t)

FrostyTheGiant March 30, 2015 10:31AM

One thing to consider with this info is that some of those people could have used the succumb command

TJHuron March 30, 2015 08:54AM

I also did it plenty with a low chr/int neutral conjurer

Quas March 30, 2015 08:12AM

It's also incredibly fragile

torak March 30, 2015 09:19PM

Maybe, but that didn't stop it from getting me hundreds of kills over 3 non good conjies with them

Quas March 31, 2015 03:14AM

You are doing it wrong (n/t)

Quas March 30, 2015 05:54AM

Disagree Shifters.... you don't win in melee. I can't think of a form that'd do well here, even with a/b/s.

Zruulg March 29, 2015 05:09PM

I've posted about this a number of times, so I'm reposting my own words and adding some extra.

FrostyTheGiant March 29, 2015 04:39PM

Very good analysis, agreed. (n/t)

starbright March 30, 2015 04:22AM

Something that's unpredictable. (n/t)

Frosty March 29, 2015 04:14PM

Orc depending on gear, Rangers if they land the ambush, Ice Devil conjurer, bout it in times of straight brute force. NT

Sam March 29, 2015 03:59PM

Burst damage. Stack dam roll, cry of thunder, flurry/drum and hope for the best.

Rhyaldrin March 29, 2015 03:54PM

i tried that and typically died from 3 rounds of melee.

The Forsaken March 30, 2015 04:41AM

More preps. (n/t)

Rhyaldrin March 30, 2015 06:18AM



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