I don't disagree with anything you said

May 05, 2017 09:04AM
User preference plays a big part in the aspects of CF that a player will enjoy. There's nothing wrong with people who enjoy FPS games, or whatever POS is. I've never known any of those games to have the long term staying power CF had though. If I can think of the difference, it is in the RP and immersion that CF provides. Again, PK is a component of that, but like most facets of CF, the draw is in the totality of the game, not just a single component. And I find the core of CF's draw to be the immersion and interaction between players. Others play solely for the PK, and that's their choice, but I think there are different player styles in CF.

The willingness to focus so much on that aspect of PK for me rips out the whole point of playing CF. I played bards for a simple reason, they were pretty versatile and could adapt to most things. I could stay alive and hold my own in fights against 90% of the mud, outside of when I went battle, and that was enough for me, even if in 900 hours I have 5 PKs. My ability to play to age death consistently is largely because my focus isn't on the PK, which means most of my logins saw zero fights. It's not that I lack the knowledge or ability to engage in PK (maybe not to the level of you or someone like Marcus who I consider the greatest ever) but after what amounts to a ridiculous amount of time playing bards (guessing 4000 hours), I just became far more passive about it. I know I could go gather preps, scrolls, talismans, and increase my PK successes. But I didn't care about that, so I didn't bother. I'd rather spend ten minutes chatting in market square than gathering a crimson scourge scroll to use in a later PK. I never met Venara, though I'm going to say I'm 80% sure I know who the player is and so I'm not surprised by the differing playstyle.

I'd agree with stealth feeling broken because confrontations are too controlled. When one side has the ability to determine the time and place of engagement, it sort of sucks. And I've known far more characters to forsake RP for fear of dying than be willing to die for the sake of RP, so the whole argument of strike their cabal or whatever falls flat. Again, players will differ, and not everyone will act this way.

The problem is for all the variation, the majority of CF people won't utilize it because the incentive is not there to do so. Krunk bashed Salyeris. Period, end of story, elf corpse. And ultimately, why wouldn't you? The Krunk v. Salyeris is a very bad example to point to when it comes to diversity of tactics. I used what I could think of. Went with a staff, didn't work. Tried certain songs (if I got a command off), never really worked. Ultimately, if you didn't bash, you were an idiot. But, being an elf bard in the village, you can berserk, which causes auto attack, you were a size larger, which meant to chance to reliably sleep/fiend, you have no fear of being lagged by me such that you had zero issues in controlling the fight, I'm limited in that reduce/enlarge and all the other unexpected stuff is completely unavailable to a villager. I suppose I could have sat underwater for ever while you were logged in or said screw RP and just went to a remote area where I would never have to deal with you, or had every villager gang Krunk. But really, Commander of the village, you throw down against people, even when it's instant death. Maybe as a berserker I could have thirsted and had a little more success, who knows, but the perks of a scout don't help in that fight.

Or I just play the RP, accept that their are builds that are the rock to my scissors, and when Krunk shows up, I die in a one sided fight. Then I move on with my char. Which is what I did. I killed Xasivus somewhere in the neighborhood of 20 times, with zero deaths to him, and he was the one that always came at me for the most part. That's just CF. Absent maybe a lich or a juiced AP, nobody gets to be Rambo.

Maybe the difference is really this. You enjoy PK, so you like to focus on the nuances of the encounter. I don't play for PK, so I don't care about focusing or refining those aspects. My enjoyment in playing a bard was never tied to how well I could perform in PK, it was always tied to having a versatile character aimed towards the RP side of CF. Bards are a natural group mate to people because of the versatility. Wood elf because they are neutral, so really no natural enemies and they have the best stats.

I won't be playing CF again for a very long time if ever, but by that time I imagine I'll have to relearn bards, if they even still exist.
Subject Author Posted

What are the most engaging parts of CF? What are the least engaging?

laearrist May 04, 2017 06:10AM

Achieving goals

Balrahd May 05, 2017 12:56PM

i'll roll if you roll boy. i hate west coast hours but giddyup. nt

The Forsaken(VIP) May 09, 2017 05:29AM

Conflict, but not necessarily PK.

Murphy May 04, 2017 05:03PM

Re: Conflict, but not necessarily PK.

Isildur(VIP) May 04, 2017 08:01PM

I dunno, I don't think imm input is often required.

Murphy May 04, 2017 09:45PM

Re: I dunno, I don't think imm input is often required.

Isildur(VIP) May 05, 2017 09:23AM

Eh

PaulO May 05, 2017 09:56AM

This is really nice

Kstatida May 08, 2017 03:11AM

Re: Eh

Isildur(VIP) May 05, 2017 11:02AM

This

Kstatida May 04, 2017 10:05PM

Cabal fights; group fights; small scale pvp; rp events

PaulO May 04, 2017 03:56PM

Re: What are the most engaging parts of CF? What are the least engaging?

PacMan May 04, 2017 02:15PM

Re: What are the most engaging parts of CF? What are the least engaging?

Isildur(VIP) May 04, 2017 12:52PM

It's all about other players/Imms

zannon May 04, 2017 07:41AM

Re: It's all about other players/Imms

laearrist May 04, 2017 11:30AM

On the PK

zannon May 05, 2017 05:49AM

Re: On the PK

laearrist May 05, 2017 07:25AM

I don't disagree with anything you said

zannon May 05, 2017 09:04AM

Thank you for your perspective. I'm sad to hear you aren't playing and don't intend to.

laearrist May 05, 2017 04:27PM

Virtued vs not

Ayathkiran May 05, 2017 08:50AM

You can't count on getting virtues...

laearrist May 05, 2017 09:04AM

I dont know why it isnt, What do Paladins get Post 40 they should get a virtue choice at 44 and 48

wishore May 05, 2017 02:44PM

From what I understand there was discussion of only having 1 virtue from now on.

jalim May 05, 2017 05:10PM

Now on - after May 1st?

Ayathkiran May 05, 2017 10:24PM

I don't think it stuck after Umiron left, I also don't remember who said it so take it with a grain of salt. n/t

jalim May 06, 2017 03:37AM

Edges is so harsh

wishore May 05, 2017 05:21PM

Yea, I'm not sure how they are different from shaman paths... (n/t)

laearrist May 05, 2017 02:45PM

I'm going to post an example of what I mean from recent-ish fights between Garfuka and Kelfaren... (n/t)

laearrist May 05, 2017 07:42AM

Re: On the PK

Kstatida May 05, 2017 06:21AM

PK in CF is sort of unique

Kstatida May 04, 2017 11:55AM

I have to state you don't get the essense of PK

Kstatida May 04, 2017 10:14AM

Oh, I do, and my view of it can be entirely different from yours.

zannon May 05, 2017 02:20AM

A chance for permalag = a chance for instant kill = a chance for deathblow streak = any other chance

Kstatida May 05, 2017 02:35AM

See, I have never seen CF as a competition

zannon May 05, 2017 03:12AM

Well CF is great in that it brings players with entirely different approach together in one game (n/t)

Kstatida May 05, 2017 03:16AM

Yes, that it does

zannon May 05, 2017 03:32AM

Re: Yes, that it does

jhyrbian May 05, 2017 03:40AM

Pretty sure you're fucking idiot, jhyrb

Kstatida May 05, 2017 03:50AM

with which char did u do that?

jhyrbian May 05, 2017 06:34AM

You know which

Kstatida May 05, 2017 06:43AM

hopes and dreams then, got it (n/t)

jhyrbian May 05, 2017 06:51AM

You don't know shit then, got it (n/t)

Kstatida May 05, 2017 07:26AM

"I know you are but what am I."

Frosty May 05, 2017 02:39PM

Thank you for teaching my about Internet discussions

Kstatida May 06, 2017 10:31AM

*me

NbM(VIP) May 06, 2017 10:57AM

That was actually *sorry ass* skipped

Kstatida May 08, 2017 02:03AM

He ignores all the important ones, while trying to give out really REALLY bad ones.

Frosty May 06, 2017 11:29AM

Huh? Grammar?

Kstatida May 08, 2017 02:04AM

This isn't a culture thing, so I really don't understand why you're not getting this.

Frosty May 09, 2017 05:32PM

Re: This isn't a culture thing, so I really don't understand why you're not getting this.

Kstatida May 09, 2017 10:22PM

Smack your head all you want, it's only dangerous if you have a brain.

Frosty May 10, 2017 04:37PM

As you wish, dude, as you wish

Kstatida May 10, 2017 10:23PM

If you're just now figuring that out, you need to catch up. (n/t)

Frosty May 11, 2017 03:14PM

I bet recognition is that important for you. (n/t)

NbM(VIP) May 05, 2017 02:45PM

ok, so which of my chars did you PK? name one, only one. (n/t)

jhyrbian May 05, 2017 11:40AM

Well as you're obviously playing Frosty, I'm gonna explain it to you

Kstatida May 06, 2017 09:59AM

so you don't deny being a neutral murder all douche? why are you getting mad? (n/t)

jhyrbian May 06, 2017 11:05AM

Got it

Kstatida May 06, 2017 11:23AM

nah (n/t)

jhyrbian May 06, 2017 11:24AM



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