Counterstrike is huge, and even if the paladin in question is thief waylaid, they will be able to counterstrike out of any opener.

October 08, 2009 10:59PM
Add in the wrath spam and no thief can possibly hope to outdamage the paladin without praying they catch them with sanc down.

Catching people with sanc down only happens when they fuck up and forget how long the timer is. If it falls during the regular course of things they are not going to die in the time it takes to a) word or b) flee;co sanc.

Counterstrike, regardless of it's mana cost, and elven/human paladins are the only paladins you see at hero nowadays, nerfs anyone who needs the first attack hard. Moreover any overly contrived attack plan can usually be dispelled, cancelled, fought through or ignored, and in the case of elves, they almost never have to worry about being cursed while their opponents are pretty much guaranteed to eat an incurable penalty to svs spell.

Counterstrike rapes if only by creating a guaranteed opening for co-wrath.

I am still scratching my fucking head as to where you think unbreakable shields, unbreakable/disarmable dispel progging weaponry is fair, on top of light of heaven and divine retribution, assuming you actually want to kill this walking tank of free supps. Add in the fact that more often than not if he's in any danger at all a healer is going to gate in and ganging them seems as justified as ganging paladins, they were built to be ganged hands down.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/08/2009 11:01PM by Scrimbul.
Subject Author Posted

Good thief skills vs. bad ones.

Scrimbul October 08, 2009 09:21AM

Well then, let's talk "best" build...

doge October 09, 2009 06:39AM

I wasn't discussing builds in this thread. That depends entirely on what you want to do.

Scrimbul October 09, 2009 07:06AM

I will say it out loud. Thief waylay is far less useful than you think.

Scrimbul October 08, 2009 04:15PM

Re: I will say it out loud. Thief waylay is far less useful than you think.

Isildur(VIP) October 08, 2009 05:17PM

With Pique

crafteddeception October 09, 2009 06:52AM

Yes, but if you were quick enough on the ball you could have CB'd in the jack lag.

Scrimbul October 09, 2009 06:55AM

Re: Yes, but if you were quick enough on the ball you could have CB'd in the jack lag.

Isildur(VIP) October 09, 2009 08:59AM

Re: Yes, but if you were quick enough on the ball you could have CB'd in the jack lag.

Scrimbul October 09, 2009 12:49PM

Um, have you ever...

torak October 08, 2009 03:00PM

I've had lore of the ages. The helpfile says it dodges item progs.

Scrimbul October 08, 2009 03:55PM

What's funny is that there is an item that does everything envenom does. NT

KennyPowers October 08, 2009 12:48PM

You will not always have that item. If you know about it, more power to you, save yourself 8 points.

Scrimbul October 08, 2009 04:01PM

Actually, you're kinda right. Getting that item before level 40 as a thief is real real hard. NT

KennyPowers October 08, 2009 04:09PM

Thief waylay

tongni October 08, 2009 10:04AM

I agree. Being thief-waylayed is horrible. (n/t)

Balrahd(VIP) October 08, 2009 01:03PM

Yeah. For the intimidation factor.

Scrimbul October 08, 2009 03:59PM

Oh come on dude. Seriously?

Java October 08, 2009 04:32PM

Counterstrike is huge, and even if the paladin in question is thief waylaid, they will be able to counterstrike out of any opener.

Scrimbul October 08, 2009 10:59PM

So..

Java October 09, 2009 03:31AM

Well, I'm not having the 'if paladins suck enough dick they can get as powerful as liches with less prep time/kill sealing ability' discussion today.

Scrimbul October 09, 2009 07:04AM

Of the last 5 hero paladins to get a PBF, guess how many had temperance?

Java October 09, 2009 10:57AM

Good for you?

Scrimbul October 09, 2009 12:55PM

Except you can thief waylay someone who can't be blackjacked.

KennyPowers October 08, 2009 04:27PM

You can also backstab, after prepping, someone who can't be blackjacked. It is not necessary to jack all, or even a signifigant portion of your kills prior to fighting. nt

Scrimbul October 08, 2009 10:42PM

Being waylayed is worse than being backstabbed.

Balrahd(VIP) October 09, 2009 07:54AM



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