So..

October 09, 2009 03:31AM
One specific virtue rapes thieves. Ok, I can believe that.

There's another completely seperate virtue that rapes shamen, for example. I don't particularly have a hard time with that.

But I think you're grossly over-estimating how many paladins get temperance. I've had it once, with a Paladin that didn't get over 35. None of my hero paladins ever had it. Retribution is far more common than temperance, and thieves are not that affected by it.

Overall I agree with you, Paladins are one of the most powerful classes in the game. Especially when they get unbreakable/nodisarm shields an weapons. But their biggest weaknesses are RP inflicted. I know you don't want to believe it, but Paladins have a LOT of restrictions in the way they can act. And when they don't act like they should, they won't get all the loving that you think makes them so powerful.
Subject Author Posted

Good thief skills vs. bad ones.

Scrimbul October 08, 2009 09:21AM

Well then, let's talk "best" build...

doge October 09, 2009 06:39AM

I wasn't discussing builds in this thread. That depends entirely on what you want to do.

Scrimbul October 09, 2009 07:06AM

I will say it out loud. Thief waylay is far less useful than you think.

Scrimbul October 08, 2009 04:15PM

Re: I will say it out loud. Thief waylay is far less useful than you think.

Isildur(VIP) October 08, 2009 05:17PM

With Pique

crafteddeception October 09, 2009 06:52AM

Yes, but if you were quick enough on the ball you could have CB'd in the jack lag.

Scrimbul October 09, 2009 06:55AM

Re: Yes, but if you were quick enough on the ball you could have CB'd in the jack lag.

Isildur(VIP) October 09, 2009 08:59AM

Re: Yes, but if you were quick enough on the ball you could have CB'd in the jack lag.

Scrimbul October 09, 2009 12:49PM

Um, have you ever...

torak October 08, 2009 03:00PM

I've had lore of the ages. The helpfile says it dodges item progs.

Scrimbul October 08, 2009 03:55PM

What's funny is that there is an item that does everything envenom does. NT

KennyPowers October 08, 2009 12:48PM

You will not always have that item. If you know about it, more power to you, save yourself 8 points.

Scrimbul October 08, 2009 04:01PM

Actually, you're kinda right. Getting that item before level 40 as a thief is real real hard. NT

KennyPowers October 08, 2009 04:09PM

Thief waylay

tongni October 08, 2009 10:04AM

I agree. Being thief-waylayed is horrible. (n/t)

Balrahd(VIP) October 08, 2009 01:03PM

Yeah. For the intimidation factor.

Scrimbul October 08, 2009 03:59PM

Oh come on dude. Seriously?

Java October 08, 2009 04:32PM

Counterstrike is huge, and even if the paladin in question is thief waylaid, they will be able to counterstrike out of any opener.

Scrimbul October 08, 2009 10:59PM

So..

Java October 09, 2009 03:31AM

Well, I'm not having the 'if paladins suck enough dick they can get as powerful as liches with less prep time/kill sealing ability' discussion today.

Scrimbul October 09, 2009 07:04AM

Of the last 5 hero paladins to get a PBF, guess how many had temperance?

Java October 09, 2009 10:57AM

Good for you?

Scrimbul October 09, 2009 12:55PM

Except you can thief waylay someone who can't be blackjacked.

KennyPowers October 08, 2009 04:27PM

You can also backstab, after prepping, someone who can't be blackjacked. It is not necessary to jack all, or even a signifigant portion of your kills prior to fighting. nt

Scrimbul October 08, 2009 10:42PM

Being waylayed is worse than being backstabbed.

Balrahd(VIP) October 09, 2009 07:54AM



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