There's nothing wrong with it. It's not the wand system that's broken.

May 30, 2010 10:12AM
It's something else. Like yesterday I got my ass completely handed to me when I was protected to the teeth by a warrior 3 ranks over me and I had my game face on. EVERYTHING possible I had to use against him, I did and I didn't even last long enough to get a dispel off to nuke his own prepping. And he was NOT a villager.

As Enotova if I didn't have a shield potion, I simply could not handle an offensive shifter. If they had a shield and aura up (which are pretty easy to keep up at least 80% of the time with the class spell) I MIGHT be able to squeeze off a big flurry to make them flee. But that was risky. The only way I could run them off reliably was catching them off guard or trying to conserve their barrier wand. To me that's annoying. I have to spam up a weapon skill to 100% to dish out max damage. I have to spam up defensive skills. A shifter, they just have to power rank to 51, and get a wand. That's it. Maybe the parry skill has an affect in form, but I've never had a mage that needed 100% parry to survive.

So the problem as I see it isn't the wand system, it's the already gross imbalance being amplified. On the one hand, you need ABS to deal with massive gank squads. Back in the day, you needed sanc potions to deal with death blow. That was what we had. No ABS, just sanc and protection and stone skin preps. Death blow was MUCH better back then. I used to have a log of me as Trewyn spellbaning 18 out of 20 area spells in a row while stuck in some quicksand on the eastern until deathblow erradicated both mages. Took a while cause I was only doing like massacres with my deathblows, but it's not like they were hitting me. Just invoke boltthrower and get an extra 200 hp, and 10 more hit and dam and let's rock! I got to berserk TWICE in the fight.

But now a days you have matches that are so grossly out of proportion it isn't even funny. As a conjurer at level 27 going up against level 19-23 anything without enhanced damage you are just simply going to blow them out of the water. As a non-giant warrior with enhanced damage 100%, weapon 100% and properly clothed, you are simply going to blow any mage out of the water pre-20. If you short yourself saves, the random mage might catch you off guard and wax your ass. But until said mage gets aura and shield, after 20 it's pretty assured that a properly clothed warrior is going to destroy them. Especially when non-traditional lagging moves start working really good. At level 25, a warrior that tanks well can destroy a conjurer with bash. It's not even a fair fight because in order for the conjurer to even the damage output with a wand, they have to get rid of a shield or a second person. The fight doesn't even out until the mage gets barrier. In the 30's, a barriered mage is something to be cautious of. But against a conjurer with an archon, it's difficult to do more damage than that archon heals and those elementals at hero level ARE NOT the pussies they are in the 20's. And let's not talk about how annoying it is to kill an invoker at hero level.

The problem ISN'T abs or the wand system. The ABS and prep system merely amplifies the imbalance that used to be negated by 3 vs 3 gank squads roaming around that aren't there anymore. When the average fight became 1 vs 1 and 2 vs 1 became a "gank". That's when ABS "broke".
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Sleeks

briartangle May 30, 2010 08:58AM

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Isildur(VIP) May 30, 2010 11:06AM

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dervish May 30, 2010 11:08AM

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Isildur(VIP) May 30, 2010 01:56PM

I disagree.

trewyn May 30, 2010 10:24PM

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briartangle May 30, 2010 11:16AM

There's nothing wrong with it. It's not the wand system that's broken.

trewyn May 30, 2010 10:12AM

I don't agree with all you say, but generally a real good post here. To me the more complex rock paper scissors game is what its all about. (n/t)

kravidian May 30, 2010 10:38AM

Yeah, the shifter comment was meant as hyperbole. nt

trewyn May 30, 2010 11:22AM

Another point - progging gear

torak May 30, 2010 10:17AM

I was using prayer beads 11 years ago. (n/t)

Zruulg May 31, 2010 04:38AM

Tell you what.

Matrik May 30, 2010 10:10AM

The sleek system blows. It's russian roulette, which isn't fun for anyone. Except maybe Christopher Walken. NT

Sam May 30, 2010 05:43PM

Your feedback will be worth nothing.

dervish May 30, 2010 10:58AM

True

Matrik May 30, 2010 11:18AM

I'm on the same page experience wise~

enyuu May 30, 2010 10:35AM

Well given the fact....

torak May 30, 2010 09:34AM

More info please

PaulO May 30, 2010 06:40PM

Are you ESL?

trewyn May 30, 2010 10:28PM

Nope, I change my mind a lot and don't proofread enough

PaulO May 31, 2010 07:18AM

I'm not trying to piss you off per se...

Sam May 30, 2010 05:43PM

For your benefit

torak May 30, 2010 10:58PM

Shit, Rupen must have a sick damroll then (PS your protection didn't do shit, but you know that already...and I stand by my stoneskin comment). In closing, I liked this char except you were easy to spot.

Sam May 31, 2010 02:06AM

Well said. (n/t)

lightmage May 30, 2010 11:57AM

Suppose I shoulda read this one first.

trewyn May 30, 2010 10:31AM

Fair enough, but FWIW (semi-tangent)

briartangle May 30, 2010 09:52AM

And for the record, I'm not wasting one single edge point on a freaking attunement edge. There's other junk I'd rather take nt

trewyn May 30, 2010 10:45AM

No edge is worth even remotely as much as a soloable barrier spot.~

ibuki May 30, 2010 12:08PM

And I know of six that I don't have to have an edge to get that are there for EVERY mage nt

trewyn May 30, 2010 12:34PM

And you're spending a lot of points for a 5% chance of that (n/t)

torak May 30, 2010 12:16PM

Re: Deathblow

wrathpuppet May 30, 2010 10:04AM

Re: Deathblow

briartangle May 30, 2010 10:13AM

Re: Deathblow

torak May 30, 2010 10:07AM

Solution: Don't beat this dead horse anymore and leave the game.

Scrimbul May 30, 2010 10:10AM

Attunement edges...

torak May 30, 2010 10:01AM

Just because something can be countered/worked around/re-RNG'd doesn't make it balanced.

Scrimbul May 30, 2010 09:58AM

Meh

briartangle May 30, 2010 10:06AM

Out of every mage I knew in game

torak May 30, 2010 10:12AM

You had an extremely clear sense of damage considering you were desensitized...

agraemas May 30, 2010 09:43AM

Desensitize isn't what you're thinking of

torak May 30, 2010 09:44AM

It does what he's thinking.

trewyn May 30, 2010 10:39AM

So when the helpfile says physical damage?

agraemas May 30, 2010 09:49AM

*shrug*

torak May 30, 2010 09:53AM

Re: Sleeks

sleepy May 30, 2010 09:15AM



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