Why does it feel like every villager now-a-days is svirf, arial, or cloud?

K-B
January 27, 2012 01:31PM
I get it, there are significant advantages to playing those races as a villager, but it just doen't feel right to have so many... Under no cercumstances is it overpowered, but I think there should be some disadvantage associated with at least the flying class villagers (so taking cloud giant into consideration as well). Maybe like... They lose detect invis... Something that wouldn't really hurt their combat performance, but would mess with them anyways. I think something like that would at least make it go from a no-brainer: "Hmm, I've gotta make a rager... I know! Arial or Cloud giant." to a more thought provoking decision.


For svirf it just seems to me that they shouldn't be able to use stoneskin as a rager. It just "feels" too magical. I mean think about it. If you were a bloodthirsty pack of warriors bent on killing everyone and everything magical you could think of, then one of your pack of savages's skin turns to stone and they're all " Nah, its cool. Its my racial ability." I feel like the pack would immediatly cut that guy's head off. Also, stoneskin is magical in every other form known to Thera, so how can it just be completely cool for villagers? Flying for villagers I can understand: Arials have wings, cloud giants are born that way. But Svirfs have to invoke it.

I hope this didn't come off as a rant. I actually don't think villagers are overpowered, nor do I think these racial abilities are overpowered either. This is just my personal opinion on the subject. Just too many arial, svirf, cloud ragers around these days.
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Why does it feel like every villager now-a-days is svirf, arial, or cloud?

K-B January 27, 2012 01:31PM

In Which We Discuss Why You are Mistaken:

wrathpuppet January 28, 2012 03:56AM

Arial warrior is the third most popular combo in the game. (n/t)

DurNominator(VIP) January 29, 2012 12:43AM

I hate arials. (n/t)

Bendak January 29, 2012 12:40AM

racist. nt

Isildur(VIP) January 29, 2012 11:30AM

This doesn't prove me mistaken at all. txt

K-B January 28, 2012 11:29AM

Well, only two resist lightning items in the game, and ragers can't use one. Not to mention they have no way to resist water.

Sam January 28, 2012 04:25PM

I disagree...

wrathpuppet January 28, 2012 11:52AM

So you don't see it as a shortcut?

K-B January 28, 2012 12:22PM

Ragers are not Masochists

Moligant January 30, 2012 12:15PM

No, I don't.

wrathpuppet January 28, 2012 01:59PM

Sorry, just because something has been around with nothing changing for a long time is not a valid argument against change. (n/t)

Artificial January 28, 2012 06:08PM

Now you're just putting words in my mouth.

wrathpuppet January 29, 2012 03:57AM

How many of those felar and human were neutral? (n/t)

Artificial January 28, 2012 04:27AM

11/19 Felar 10/14 Human (n/t)

wrathpuppet January 28, 2012 04:30AM

Just going by PBFs for all times, we see that there are 25 goods, 176 neutrals, and 90 evil in battle.

Artificial January 28, 2012 04:39AM

Neutral battle means unless you're a dwarf, no fighting Outlanders, and obviously minimally fighting Fort. Main benefit? No prot v neutral in the game :) NT

Sam January 28, 2012 04:22PM

On the other hand, Fort mages are more likely to play conservatively against you.

DurNominator(VIP) January 29, 2012 03:52AM

forgot about the arials...how bout them? (n/t)

Artificial January 28, 2012 04:33AM

19/29 Arials. Is lame ranking not enough of a downside for neutrals? (n/t)

wrathpuppet January 28, 2012 04:39AM

Clearly not, because of the significant advantage in fighting nexus and people with protection, imo, with zero downside. (n/t)

Artificial January 28, 2012 04:40AM

I don't understand what you want.

wrathpuppet January 28, 2012 04:53AM

I don't understand your argument at all

vortexmagus January 31, 2012 01:41AM

Does anyone actually argue that ranking as battle is hard? You have 2 of your bros with you. No ones gonna jump you.

Artificial January 28, 2012 05:00AM

I'm talking about the lack of an XP modifier for neutrals. As for Nexus:

wrathpuppet January 28, 2012 05:08AM

True, however...

esfergref January 28, 2012 09:20AM

Why is there always a Fire/Sword in Empire? Because it just works. cookiecutter is a word for a reason. (n/t)

Dirt January 28, 2012 12:03AM

Fire/Sword Empire isn't a build that removes a significant downside to picking Empire. (n/t)

Artificial January 28, 2012 12:06AM

Several reasons.

esfergref January 27, 2012 07:44PM

I agree with you, but the point im making is...

K-B January 27, 2012 08:01PM

In truth...

Forsooth January 28, 2012 09:41AM

I'm with you on that one. (n/t)

esfergref January 27, 2012 08:27PM

Cosign. (n/t)

Artificial January 27, 2012 08:03PM

I dare you to make a svirf or cloud rager and manage a positive pk ratio.

Jerrokrar January 27, 2012 05:28PM

I loved my svirf and cloud ragers. Maybe you just need more practice since Boggom was horrible. n/t

jalim January 28, 2012 03:52AM

Only a delusional serial rager player could believe this:

tongni January 28, 2012 01:37AM

I was with you until you included Cloud giant in the mix.

Sam January 28, 2012 11:13AM

Why are you all not including duerg? (n/t)

alansmithee January 28, 2012 11:15AM

Well, two reasons.

Sam January 28, 2012 11:43AM

Already done it.

RobDarken January 28, 2012 12:56AM

The numbers disagree with you, sir. (n/t)

vortexmagus January 27, 2012 05:32PM

Beat me to it. (n/t)

NbM(VIP) January 27, 2012 05:33PM

Shifters are gnome, healers are elves, same age-old reasons (n/t)

Noone of significance January 27, 2012 02:42PM

Classes and Cabals are different to me. nt

K-B January 27, 2012 03:19PM

Being neutral is one less prep they are fighting against. (n/t)

Frosty January 27, 2012 02:30PM

Also helps against vanguard, while still giving them the freedom to kill whoever they want. (n/t)

vortexmagus January 27, 2012 03:43PM

There's an advantage in being able to fly for a Villager these days that did not used to be an issue. (n/t)

wrathpuppet January 27, 2012 01:54PM

Same 4 chickenshits can't play anything else. It's too hard. (n/t)

TaterPig January 27, 2012 01:41PM

So your solution to this is that someone else rolls a rager? (n/t)

DurNominator(VIP) January 27, 2012 09:15PM

Don't get mad at me, I'm just saying the truth, brother. Direct quote "Whaddaya mean, bards don't get bash? Why even make the class available?" (n/t)

TaterPig January 28, 2012 03:50AM

That's a bit unfair.

satchmo January 27, 2012 02:58PM



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