Actually, I do say there was.

May 24, 2017 09:55AM
So first, ok, I get your point regarding general public vs. lawmakers. People don't remember just how shocking it was back then when McConnell stood up and said the chief - first! - priority of the republican elected officials was not some policy or law or anything at all, but rather to make Obama a 1-term president, and to stop anything he ever proposes so he has zero "victories", no matter how good it might be for the country. And, as you likely know, the use of the filibuster was exponentially greater against President Obama than any president before him. It changed the country. And then to end that presidency with the despicable handling of President Obama's supreme court nominee, it really was abominable.

But to the rest, I must disagree strongly. First, you start right off with this "fake scandal" comment. That's more of this "alternative facts" and "fake news" bullshit that we already get from the overripe tangerine in the white house now and his cronies/charmies. But second and perhaps more important, you are missing two important points. What's happening now isn't an effort to remove the big baby so much as it is an effort to find out what has happened and then if there are consequences, so be it. More, you don't seem to acknowledge that the republicans and people like them - including the narcissist-in-chief - are the ones who worked to undermine the presidency and the president, when it was President Obama. Remember birtherism? What was that if not a full-blown attempt to delegitimize President Obama and have him removed from office? And we don't need to speculate, that's precisely what they all said they were doing.

Bottom line is that everything you're complaining about was done, and worse, by the side you are defending.

What troubles me most of all is the improper conflation, the "pox on all your houses" mentalities that think that both sides are equally bad. It's a completely false equivalence. Republicans and their outlets (see Fox News today 'retracting' the ridiculous conspiracy theory about Seth Rich's murder) absolutely deal in fake news, and have no respect for actual facts. Democrats do. When the New York Times gets a fact wrong, it fixes it, immediately. There just isn't any real question (say all you want) that the conservative press is not moored by reality. And the statements made by the people who espouse these things are simply false.
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So, its been four months since I've checked this forum.

vortexmagus May 22, 2017 07:31AM

Chugga chugga Chugga chugga Chugga chugga

MiyagiYojimbo May 23, 2017 11:15PM

Meh, kind of start to tune the media out after a while. I just assumed everyone else had too, but I guess I'm wrong.

Jib May 22, 2017 11:50AM

what's not to like? erosion of democracy, for one. lies, scandals, enrichment, loss of ethics, etc. worst administration ever.

The Forsaken(VIP) May 23, 2017 09:09AM

Look at where all of these scandals are coming from.

Jib May 23, 2017 11:42AM

Simple answer.

Matrik May 23, 2017 04:30PM

An interesting article on the matter

Kstatida May 23, 2017 09:57AM

Re: An interesting article on the matter

Isildur(VIP) May 23, 2017 01:38PM

Re: An interesting article on the matter

Kstatida May 23, 2017 02:17PM

Perhaps, but it will take a while.

Jib May 23, 2017 02:58PM

Re: Perhaps, but it will take a while.

alansmithee May 24, 2017 07:43AM

Re: Perhaps, but it will take a while.

PaulO May 27, 2017 08:29PM

I am talking about the social angle, the cultural/societal shift that is taking place among the population at large.

Jib May 24, 2017 08:09AM

Actually, I do say there was.

alansmithee May 24, 2017 09:55AM

and that's why you're a lawyer and i'm not. well said bud! nt

The Forsaken(VIP) May 24, 2017 12:03PM

Good point on the birther thing, dude.

Jib May 24, 2017 10:40AM

as a conservative, republicans are the worst.

The Forsaken(VIP) May 24, 2017 12:03PM

There is no budging, so we have to resort to hyperbole to get our points across.

Jib May 24, 2017 12:38PM

You're the man Jib. (n/t)

Matrik May 24, 2017 09:22PM

Well said

Kstatida May 24, 2017 07:43PM

Heard and Appreciated.

The Faithful of Nazmorghul(VIP) May 26, 2017 07:42PM

Thing is, that isn't working anymore

Kstatida May 27, 2017 07:23AM

You be spewin' mouth-truth.

The Faithful of Nazmorghul(VIP) May 27, 2017 02:54PM

Testing weapons and training soldiers.

Matrik May 26, 2017 08:53PM

I don't care what anyone says. I've missed you. (n/t)

The Faithful of Nazmorghul(VIP) May 27, 2017 02:49PM

Thanks friend. (n/t)

Matrik May 27, 2017 02:59PM

They live and breathe this shit on a day to day basis. Just smile and nod and move on at this point. n/t

jalim May 22, 2017 12:22PM

Good boy. Take your pills and wash it down with the fluoride. (n/t)

Matrik May 22, 2017 09:58AM

The dark room never gets really dark anymore nt

Flipside Oreo May 24, 2017 02:09PM

Depends which corner you sit in. (n/t)

Matrik May 24, 2017 02:13PM

Sessions lying under oath?

Kstatida May 22, 2017 07:35AM

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