Longterm (50-100 years)

August 10, 2017 12:44AM
I see North Korea joining Russia. Those 40m people would fit our Far Eastern region (6m population total, about 5% of which are koreans) quite well.

Short- and Mid-term, U.S. will never pull out of NK trouble because it is what allows U.S. to warmonger in the East China sea, pretty controlling the most dense naval trade route. If NK is solved, the only major thing that justify American bases in the region is what, ISIS activity in Phillipines? Very convincing :) U.S. historically uses NK as an argument in making deals in the South Eastern Asia, and I don't see Trump changing that policy, in fact I see him doing just that (see how he reversed SK idea of stopping the missile deployment recently).

That being said, U.S. needs NK trouble, not NK trouble solved, therefore I don't think U.S. will ever strike NK, and NK has no ability to strike U.S. U.S. will, however, continue NK warmongering because SK missiles, Japanese naval bases etc.

Longterm, NK crisis will solve itself along with U.S. power inevitably declining in the coming decades. When you guys don't have the resources to uphold the bases on East China sea, the need for NK troublemaker will disappear as well. That will be the time when either NK joins Russia (I don't think China will enjoy that tho) or NK and SK reunite (the longer it takes, the less possible it is).

On the possible war issue

As stated above, I don't see this happening from pragmatic point of view. U.S. doesn't need NK trouble solved. From nuclear problem PoV, neither Russia nor China will allow NK to have feasible nuclear arms delivery program because thank you two nuclear states in the region are more than enough. And having uncontrolled nuclear missiles 700km from Beijing (and even less so a naval nuclear program because nuclear NK submarines/ships will easily enter Bohay gulf) is not something China will tolerate.

There is however an issue that U.S. government of late is more and more ideologic and less and less pragmatic. The clown carpet that Washington D.C. looks like now is quite troubling for everyone around. So it is possible that being ideologically pumped by politicians and media, U.S. people will support the direct assault by U.S. on NK. In this scenario I do not see either Russia or China to sit and do nothing. Why you ask? See the world map, that's why. You can't attack a country bordering a superpower and expect that superpower to eat that. If U.S. stomps down on NK, it will mean that U.S. will leave its bases on NK, and that's something Russia would have zero tolerance for. There are also other factors in place, like Energy Super Ring, Trans-Korean railroad, Trans-Korean gas pipe and other infrastructure projects both China and Russia are invested in. So when one says that "North Korea is absolutely blocked" one is dead wrong. Like when some two years ago I was saying that I deal with North Koreans, I was meaning it.

What that "would not sit and do nothing" result in - I don't know, and I'd rather not think about it. Let's just hope U.S. people don't support that shit if McCain miraculously survives his tumors and starts pushing it.

Edited 5 time(s). Last edit at 08/10/2017 12:48AM by Kstatida.
Subject Author Posted

6 months in I am curious about the thoughts of those who supported trump?

Quas July 28, 2017 04:24PM

Still optimistic.

Death_Claw August 09, 2017 09:42AM

NK is probably the biggest risk in terms of war..

istirith August 09, 2017 01:05PM

Re: NK is probably the biggest risk in terms of war..

demos August 09, 2017 08:15PM


Rhyaldrin August 09, 2017 05:48PM

People think war is implausible..

istirith August 10, 2017 02:05AM

This is interesting reasoning

Kstatida August 10, 2017 02:22AM

While they probably don't..

istirith August 10, 2017 02:51AM

Longterm (50-100 years)

Kstatida August 10, 2017 12:44AM

Why are China and Russia sitting out?

Jib August 10, 2017 07:58AM

I have addressed that

Kstatida August 10, 2017 09:02AM

I think the problem is that DPRK is not going to stop trying to get a credible nuclear deterrent

starbright August 10, 2017 09:54AM

You are correct.

Jib August 10, 2017 10:07AM

Yeah good point. Nuclear arms being in the hands of big states has good rationale behind it, and I'm generally in support of that.

starbright August 10, 2017 10:13AM

No, you are right, invasion is not a good solution.

Jib August 10, 2017 10:57AM

So what if he's not acting?

istirith August 10, 2017 10:04AM

No mad ruler survives for long

Kstatida August 10, 2017 11:59AM

Then we are all fucked. Assuming he's mad, what would the best thing to do be?

starbright August 10, 2017 10:09AM

True, but..

istirith August 10, 2017 10:14AM


Jib August 10, 2017 09:51AM

Re: Interesting.

Kstatida August 10, 2017 11:20AM

You tend to do this, every time I have a discussion with you...

Jib August 10, 2017 01:12PM

Sorry, dude, I didn't read your answer because of the following:

Kstatida August 11, 2017 12:16AM

Wow man. I overestimated your intellect, I think. I'll try and dumb it down next time.

Jib August 11, 2017 07:53AM

Please do (n/t)

Kstatida August 11, 2017 09:13AM

Interesting, I was not aware that Russia or China had ICBM-interception capability (n/t)

starbright August 10, 2017 11:25AM

Are you serious?

Kstatida August 10, 2017 11:55AM

I'm not that well informed on the specifics of military weapons

starbright August 10, 2017 11:59AM

Re: I'm not that well informed on the specifics of military weapons

Kstatida August 10, 2017 12:01PM

I lol'ed: in Soviet Russia, small talk is talk is nuclear talk! :-P (n/t)

starbright August 10, 2017 12:07PM

Why would you destabilize your own backyard?

starbright August 10, 2017 10:06AM

Re: Why would you destabilize your own backyard?

Jib August 10, 2017 10:38AM

On McCain..

istirith August 10, 2017 03:02AM

We scare children with American medical care

Kstatida August 10, 2017 03:11AM

All things considered he's done a good job.

istirith August 02, 2017 09:47PM

Somewhat irrelevant, but some thoughts on the greater scale

Kstatida August 03, 2017 12:49AM

I think you'd be surprised.

istirith August 03, 2017 12:15PM

Which ones?

demos August 04, 2017 09:11PM

Crimean (n/t)

Kstatida August 05, 2017 12:36AM

Oh ya

demos August 05, 2017 04:16AM

Re: I think you'd be surprised.

Jib August 04, 2017 12:15PM


istirith August 04, 2017 12:17PM

Re: I think you'd be surprised.

Kstatida August 04, 2017 02:00AM

I was in mainland Europe in 2014..

istirith August 04, 2017 08:20AM

Re: I was in mainland Europe in 2014..

Kstatida August 04, 2017 10:15AM

I have to disagree with that second paragraph, because it's incorrect. (n/t)

Frosty August 03, 2017 06:11AM

In the interests of impartiality, here are things he is wrong on.

istirith August 02, 2017 09:54PM

Re: In the interests of impartiality, here are things he is wrong on.

regreath August 04, 2017 01:49PM


istirith August 04, 2017 02:07PM


Kstatida August 05, 2017 12:42AM

Business (I'm in outside sales) is much better. Bathing in money and libtears tbh. I'd say America is... 64.8% great already. Just need that wall. (n/t)

Rhyaldrin August 01, 2017 04:16PM

Oh and John McCain dying would be great too. (n/t)

Rhyaldrin August 01, 2017 04:17PM

Extremely optimistic

MiyagiYojimbo August 01, 2017 08:58AM

MEGA <3 nt

Flipside Oreo August 05, 2017 10:14AM

Can I? Can I?

Kstatida August 01, 2017 08:26AM

I'd rather ask "Now that you have Media, Congress and Senate assramming your President for six months, what are your thoughts?"

istirith August 02, 2017 09:32PM

I defer to Rhyaldrins opinion even though I didn't vote Trump.

jalim August 01, 2017 05:57AM

I'm not saying HIllary had Seth Rich killed bu.... never mind yes I am. (n/t)

Rhyaldrin August 01, 2017 04:18PM

About 50x better than expected. (n/t)

Matrik July 28, 2017 05:02PM

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