How do you win CF?

May 20, 2014 01:40PM
Some people joke that Cabdru is the only person to have ever won at CF. What is he known for:

1) Winning a role contest and getting +1 to max Int as a fire giant.
2) Getting one of the best sets of eq ever seen on an a-p.
3) Killing hordes of people quickly as seen on the PBF.
4) Getting a large unholy.

Those are all examples of game mechanic rewards. They are built-in ways to gain rewards through a very specific way of playing the game. That's what game mechanics do. They tell you how to win the game. Does anyone remember Cabdru's roleplaying? Does anyone talk about it?

You mentioned achievements in your post below, such as getting leadership and getting your name on the monument. Again, these are game mechanics that reward specific ways of playing the game. Thankfully, these are based off of in-game, consistent roleplaying. We need more ways of encouraging this. More ways of guiding players on how to play the game. It is a way of communicating expectations to the playerbase, and rewarding them when they meet those expectations. If you kill X mobs and gain Y experience you gain a level and learn a new skill. Expectation, results, reward.


"isn't recognition from fellow players reward enough for good roleplay?"

It will often lose out to getting equipment* and edges and power for pking. Once you're in a cabal, there are no more game mechanics for rewarding good roleplayers except for the elite that go for leadership/tattoos/quest abilities. Instead, the Imms have added a ton of rewards for playing solo.


"Entitlement is the big reason why. People feel self entitled"

Yeah, I used to feel that way too. I was an Imm once. Made it to level 56 before I left so I could graduate college. But you know my biggest regret as an Imm? Missed empowerments. People were taking the time to come up with original character ideas, roll them up, play, and pray to me. But if they were in an off time, I always missed them. I hated that so much. Even today, I tell myself if I ever Imm again I don't want an empowered religion. Here's the thing. It isn't rocket science. I explained this to the other Imms at the time, many who are still Imms today. I recognized the problem. I tried to come up with a solution, as half-baked as it was: Combine religions under larger categories (Sun, Shadow, etc) and allow any Imm under the larger category to empower any other one. They could still follow the individual Imms under that for tattoos and such. You want to know what I was told? Empowerment was to be a one-on-one between player and Imm and he (the influential Imm who shall remain nameless) wouldn't want someone else empowering his followers. That was like 15 years ago. I think they do have a system now where other Imms can empower each others followers today, but, damn, they are so hard-headed and take the players for granted. Entitlement? Yeah, the players and the Imms alike. Get off your high horse.

I'm not saying they should be at the beck and call of the players, but they should strive to make sure every single player has a consistent and minimally good experience. But that requires talking about expectations. I love the idea of edges, it is just flawed implementation. It's not "play anyway you want" which would be great, because you can get more edges for doing everything. It's "you have to play every way" to get the most you can. Compare it to weapon specs. Imagine each weapon spec skill was unlocked by killing a big mob somewhere in Thera. Would you consider that "kill a mob and get any skill you want" or would you consider that "I have to kill all these mobs to get my skills"? The edge system is telling the players they need to do everything to get the most edges.

It's an honest mistake to make. But how long have edges been in? How much have people complained? It's time to own up that it was a mistake and let people get edges doing any of the paths (obs/exp, pk/cabal, roles/roleplay), with no bonus for completing more than one. Then it would truly be a play any way you want and get rewards.


*Getting equipment for most people is actually best done socially.

- Paul
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RE: PaulO and the Explore/Pk/Rp discussion.

Yhorian May 19, 2014 03:00PM

How do you win CF?

PaulO May 20, 2014 01:40PM

I'm afraid I find it too hard to read your posts.

Yhorian May 21, 2014 12:59AM

Re: I'm afraid I find it too hard to read your posts.

Batman May 22, 2014 03:32AM

Get off your high horse.

Yhorian May 22, 2014 03:59AM

Because I care

PaulO May 22, 2014 07:14AM

Combining this video and the comic Batman linked:

DurNominator(VIP) May 24, 2014 11:21AM

Spectacular video. (n/t)

NbM(VIP) May 22, 2014 07:34AM

"Criticism is easy to accept" -> Hissy fit + "I'm not posting for a while"

Matrik May 22, 2014 05:21AM

I'm not insinuating you're a bad person IRL

HairyOrangutan May 22, 2014 05:18AM

Th-thanks yhorian-kun.

Batman May 22, 2014 05:04AM

Is that David Lynch on the far right? The hair. (n/t)

Frosty May 22, 2014 06:37AM

lolled. Man it does look right.

Batman May 22, 2014 06:42AM

Thank you, it was still funny before I knew who they were, but it's even better now ;) (n/t)

Frosty May 22, 2014 06:47AM

It was my bad for cropping it, I just tried to keep it short since many people don't enjoy this shit.

Batman May 22, 2014 06:52AM

Finally, I can start catching up on my obscure cartoon panels. (n/t)

Matrik May 22, 2014 05:25AM

That's what I'm here for. Can't let anyone miss out on random comics.

Batman May 22, 2014 05:38AM

And to highlight how bad this forum is, here's an excerpt from a PM I got:

Yhorian May 22, 2014 12:31AM

.............

NbM(VIP) May 22, 2014 03:43AM

That's very true

zannon May 22, 2014 03:25AM

Seriously?

Sam May 22, 2014 09:37AM

If the acidity and negativity specifically make you want to not play...

DurNominator(VIP) May 24, 2014 11:11AM

This has worked for others before. Give it a try Sam, PLEASE. (n/t)

Frosty May 24, 2014 03:05PM

Who cares about Sam's characters so badly? Is everyone forgetting Jin-dick-o? (n/t)

RockTheWayneJ May 24, 2014 07:43PM

I fell in like with Jindicho.

Frosty May 25, 2014 06:42AM

Fun to battle, or fun to interact with?

RockTheWayneJ May 25, 2014 06:59AM

He was active, challanging, and also antagonistic enough to make you really want to kill him but nowhere enough to HATE him.

Frosty May 25, 2014 07:08AM

I did not hate him. Jindicho is the only character that I even remember of Sam in the last few years, and there was nothing special about him.

RockTheWayneJ May 25, 2014 07:31AM

Sam was that newbie fire giant, Kruaank, whom I PKed with ice needles.

DurNominator(VIP) May 25, 2014 02:09PM

What's your problem?

Frosty May 25, 2014 07:39AM

So you wan't more players, just not more players as long as those more players aren't the more players that you want.

RockTheWayneJ May 25, 2014 07:48AM

No you ass. The game needs more players, period. YOU are the one specifying which ones we need.

Frosty May 25, 2014 07:54AM

I did make an assumption that may not have been Correct.

RockTheWayneJ May 25, 2014 07:58AM

I've made myself quite clear. YOU are creating this schism. YOU were the one who started to badmouth Sam's character. YOU made the assumption I was a rager-player to account for me liking Sam's character.

Frosty May 25, 2014 08:05AM

Pointing your finger, still? (n/t)

RockTheWayneJ May 25, 2014 08:17AM

Hey, YOU asked. (n/t)

Frosty May 25, 2014 08:53AM

Hey Frosty.

Matrik May 25, 2014 09:02AM

Hello.

Frosty May 25, 2014 09:37AM

I liked Jindicho.

Batman May 25, 2014 03:13AM

I killed Jin-dicko. ;) nt

crafteddeception May 25, 2014 06:52AM

Me too :) (n/t)

Matrik May 25, 2014 06:54AM

I loved Jindicho.

wrathpuppet May 25, 2014 02:48AM

Didn't Sam also play Ohbehb? Or did Sam just recommend his BFF Hairy NbMrangutan for that position? (n/t)

RockTheWayneJ May 25, 2014 07:02AM

Seriously? (n/t)

wrathpuppet May 25, 2014 07:14AM

Keep it up and people are going to start calling you Pro. Just sayin'. (n/t)

Frosty May 25, 2014 07:10AM

It was a serious question. Who played Ohbehb? (n/t)

RockTheWayneJ May 25, 2014 07:12AM

But you answered your own question. (n/t)

Frosty May 25, 2014 07:15AM

No I didn't. I asked if it was Sam, NbM, or Orangutan. (n/t)

RockTheWayneJ May 25, 2014 07:16AM

Sounds like a Pro. (n/t)

Frosty May 25, 2014 07:18AM

Sounds like you don't understand the purpose of a question mark. (n/t)

RockTheWayneJ May 25, 2014 07:19AM

You're a bad actor? (n/t)

Frosty May 25, 2014 07:20AM

You're an idiot.

RockTheWayneJ May 25, 2014 07:23AM

You should attend Juilliard?

Frosty May 25, 2014 07:30AM

The game does not need "more" players. It needs more *quality* players. Because you're good at missing the point, I'll clarify that I am not saying Sam isn't a quality player.

RockTheWayneJ May 25, 2014 07:33AM

The game needs more players. You're being an assclown. (n/t)

Frosty May 25, 2014 07:40AM

The game needs more *quality* players. Not just more players in general (not in this context, anyway).

RockTheWayneJ May 25, 2014 07:45AM

The game needs more players, old or new, it does not matter. The game needs more players.

Frosty May 25, 2014 07:51AM

It's easy to call someone else's view askew and your own as direct and correct, isn't it?

RockTheWayneJ May 25, 2014 07:55AM

This is fairly simple. The game needs more players, Sam is(or was) a player, therefore I would like Sam to continue to be a player.

Frosty May 25, 2014 08:00AM

Re: Seriously?

zannon May 24, 2014 06:25AM

Wow.

wrathpuppet May 24, 2014 09:00AM

People complaining about getting into outlander? I still just know the basics of the cabal and I did it twice, easily. Just let people complain. (n/t)

funnyone May 25, 2014 03:01AM

+10000000000000000000000000000000000 (n/t)

Frosty May 24, 2014 06:58AM

Hopefully you will find this easier to read

Bemus-ed May 21, 2014 03:11PM

I see you haven't changed.

Matrik May 21, 2014 05:12AM

Maybe it's not the demonization of your forum personality, but your actual forum personality, or for that matter, actual personality

HairyOrangutan May 21, 2014 04:30AM

I barely know who you are.

PaulO May 21, 2014 04:27AM

Edges

MiyagiYojimbo May 20, 2014 04:10PM

It's more like you want to play baseball, have 4 other people, and tell new people they can only join you after being batboy for 2 years. NT (n/t)

Falstaff May 20, 2014 05:35PM

+1

Wendigotorn May 21, 2014 03:27AM

Is it? Can someone translate this to a non-sports ball analogy? (n/t)

Matrik May 21, 2014 05:13AM

How about I translate it to business-speak

Falstaff May 21, 2014 06:41AM

I see.

Matrik May 21, 2014 11:17AM

Re: I see.

Falstaff May 22, 2014 09:26AM

Good job. Solid post without any whining that is obviously centered around you. (n/t)

Matrik May 22, 2014 10:44AM

Ha ha! Yes and no. CF is exactly like that, but not because of edges. (n/t)

MiyagiYojimbo May 20, 2014 05:51PM

Agreed. Edges are "nice-to-haves", nothing more. NT (n/t)

Falstaff May 20, 2014 06:10PM

several change the dynamic and threshold of your power. nt

crafteddeception May 20, 2014 06:11PM

Yes, but from the standpoint of a newbie you will not be instant hero-chow if you don't get many edges. NT (n/t)

Falstaff May 20, 2014 06:14PM

Couple things.

Sam May 20, 2014 11:43AM

Irregardless is fine. Language is dictated by the users of the language.

vortexmagus May 19, 2014 08:49PM

Irregardless is not fine. Ir is a prefix to opposite. The word is regardless. To say irregardless mean to regard, much the same as "dethaw" means to freeze. (n/t)

Perpetual_Noob May 20, 2014 12:56PM

but antidisestablishmentarianism is a word that contains two negative prefixes as well.

vortexmagus May 21, 2014 08:21AM

Jesus man you 'Ain't' gonna win this argument! Now go and dethaw that hamburger before it goes bad. ;)

Nurok May 21, 2014 09:16AM

Would you use it in a job interview? Because I'd wager you 'Ain't' getting that job..unless its minimum wage. (n/t)

Nurok May 20, 2014 04:13AM

I enjoyed your post until you went "irregardless" on me. (n/t)

Perpetual_Noob May 19, 2014 05:57PM

Very solid read, made me think of a few things. Just to be true to Dio's spirit of trolling - "irregardless" is not a word. (n/t)

Noone of significance May 19, 2014 04:42PM

The Oxford dictionary disagrees. nt

Yhorian May 20, 2014 12:01AM

It isn't a word. The dictionary entry summarized is "This isn't a word, use regardless instead"

Nurok May 20, 2014 04:10AM

That's educational, thanks. I'll probably still use it - it's very colloquial welsh. nt

Yhorian May 21, 2014 03:53AM

TL/DR: Points mean Prizes. No one likes a winner. Stop playing. nt

Yhorian May 19, 2014 03:09PM



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