Because I care

May 22, 2014 07:14AM
Yhorian,

You're a great guy. You have made some amazing characters. I loved hanging out with Delilah when I was playing Ujesken. It was some of the best, most original RP I've seen in CF in a long time. Amaranthe did an amazing job with that challenge, and although it didn't turn out anywhere near its potential, I still think it was one of the best things to happen to CF. Period. I'm glad we were able to be a small part of it.

I have no problem with you. None. Zip. Zero. Can you feel my love?

I know you put a lot of effort into CF and trying to make it better. You care. I do too. Sometime we care too much. Sometimes we try so hard we just get frustrated by those who drain our passion, energy, and positivity with their negativity, arrogance, and entitlement.

We try with polite jokes, subtle winks, and teasing nudges. But, eventually, because we care, if our voices are not acknowledged, we have a choice. We can continue down the same path hoping one day things miraculously change. We can leave. Or we can start raising our voices. Start being a little more insensitive. A little more direct.

Any attack you read in my responses was based purely on what you wrote. I do have a problem with people, anyone, saying that some group feels too entitled without acknowledging their very own feelings of entitlement. It smacks of hypocrisy. I have a huge problem with hypocrisy. Hypocrisy tears relationships apart. And I don't want that to happen. Not to us, not to this community. I would much rather have justified negativity than hypocrisy (I don't care for unjustified negativity). While we're discussing morals, humility is a great thing. When mistakes happen (and they always will), speaking to those mistakes goes a long way toward building trust.

In your original post below, you entitled it: "Mystery is attractive." I was told that too when I was an Imm. And to some small degree, it is very true. I remember when I Imm'd, I felt like I was seeing the wizard behind the curtain and some of that mystery was lost forever. But that isn't what makes CF special. That isn't the core fundamental fun of CF.

If you only want the mystery, you'll spend forever talking in dark, smoky booths. At some point you want to take the clothes off of your mysterious date and create some heart-pumping fun experiences. And years later, when there's little mystery left and you've explored every nook and cranny of each other, you can still create those amazing, intimate experiences.

You see, you can have mystery and still have a game where newbies aren't getting raped by the veterans. They step into the smoky room and get sexed by a gaggle of mysterious strangers for a few hundred hours. The strangers are very mysterious, and will usually lube if they realize you're a newcomer. Aren't they so courteous? But it will be a long time before the newbies can fight well enough to even escape a pk on a regular basis. I'm sorry if that analogy is too harsh, but that is essentially what happens after starting CF.

The divide between the haves and the have-nots is the grand canyon. It has grown over the years. In part due to the original nature of the game and everyone just starting out, and in part to design decisions. And unfortunately, mystery is tied into power in CF in a big way. Mystery over the maps. Mystery over the abilities. Mystery over items. And mystery is tied into CF in a bad way.

Here's the challenge for you, Yhorian: Make it so newbies can kill middle of the pack players with their very first character. They might only go 5-50. But get them kills. Require them to learn mystery to do it if you want. Tie your mystery and getting pks together however you want, as long as the average player can do it with their very first character.

The Imms have made some changes to help out. It is a bit like taking baby steps in the right direction. I've made a bigger fuss with some ideas of my own that are more like trying to get us hopping the right direction. What we really need are drastic changes. We need rocket jumps. Did you get a chance to watch this? [www.youtube.com]

We have to stop saying that people don't play CF because of graphic games. That's an excuse. It prevents us from getting to the heart of the issue. There have always been graphic games. I will say, games today are more fun than they were 20 years ago. I tried playing some of my old Atari games and old arcade games on the Xbox... they suck compared to games today. They're cumbersome, repetitive, and the pacing is slow.

Is CF as fun as it could be? Is it as sticky as it could be for new players? Are we even talking about the right issues?

Here is your mission, should you choose to accept it: Get the newbie 5 kills with his very first character.

Your biggest fan,
Paul

P.S. One more thing. If "Mystery is attractive" then it doesn't need power. I would argue that it is power that makes much of the mystery in CF attractive. There are many aspects of CF that are largely ignored because they are viewed as not worth it. The mystery by itself is not compelling enough for most people to mess with it. Most of us prioritize RP over PK in some area, but for the most part PK is what gets the blood pumping. No, mystery isn't that attractive. Especially when it comes to static objects. Does anyone really care about the low level sword of zuron compared to the high level one? Power is attractive. Empower the newbie's characters.

- Paul



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 05/22/2014 07:35AM by PaulO.
Subject Author Posted

RE: PaulO and the Explore/Pk/Rp discussion.

Yhorian May 19, 2014 03:00PM

How do you win CF?

PaulO May 20, 2014 01:40PM

I'm afraid I find it too hard to read your posts.

Yhorian May 21, 2014 12:59AM

Re: I'm afraid I find it too hard to read your posts.

Batman May 22, 2014 03:32AM

Get off your high horse.

Yhorian May 22, 2014 03:59AM

Because I care

PaulO May 22, 2014 07:14AM

Combining this video and the comic Batman linked:

DurNominator(VIP) May 24, 2014 11:21AM

Spectacular video. (n/t)

NbM(VIP) May 22, 2014 07:34AM

"Criticism is easy to accept" -> Hissy fit + "I'm not posting for a while"

Matrik May 22, 2014 05:21AM

I'm not insinuating you're a bad person IRL

HairyOrangutan May 22, 2014 05:18AM

Th-thanks yhorian-kun.

Batman May 22, 2014 05:04AM

Is that David Lynch on the far right? The hair. (n/t)

Frosty May 22, 2014 06:37AM

lolled. Man it does look right.

Batman May 22, 2014 06:42AM

Thank you, it was still funny before I knew who they were, but it's even better now ;) (n/t)

Frosty May 22, 2014 06:47AM

It was my bad for cropping it, I just tried to keep it short since many people don't enjoy this shit.

Batman May 22, 2014 06:52AM

Finally, I can start catching up on my obscure cartoon panels. (n/t)

Matrik May 22, 2014 05:25AM

That's what I'm here for. Can't let anyone miss out on random comics.

Batman May 22, 2014 05:38AM

And to highlight how bad this forum is, here's an excerpt from a PM I got:

Yhorian May 22, 2014 12:31AM

.............

NbM(VIP) May 22, 2014 03:43AM

That's very true

zannon May 22, 2014 03:25AM

Seriously?

Sam May 22, 2014 09:37AM

If the acidity and negativity specifically make you want to not play...

DurNominator(VIP) May 24, 2014 11:11AM

This has worked for others before. Give it a try Sam, PLEASE. (n/t)

Frosty May 24, 2014 03:05PM

Who cares about Sam's characters so badly? Is everyone forgetting Jin-dick-o? (n/t)

RockTheWayneJ May 24, 2014 07:43PM

I fell in like with Jindicho.

Frosty May 25, 2014 06:42AM

Fun to battle, or fun to interact with?

RockTheWayneJ May 25, 2014 06:59AM

He was active, challanging, and also antagonistic enough to make you really want to kill him but nowhere enough to HATE him.

Frosty May 25, 2014 07:08AM

I did not hate him. Jindicho is the only character that I even remember of Sam in the last few years, and there was nothing special about him.

RockTheWayneJ May 25, 2014 07:31AM

Sam was that newbie fire giant, Kruaank, whom I PKed with ice needles.

DurNominator(VIP) May 25, 2014 02:09PM

What's your problem?

Frosty May 25, 2014 07:39AM

So you wan't more players, just not more players as long as those more players aren't the more players that you want.

RockTheWayneJ May 25, 2014 07:48AM

No you ass. The game needs more players, period. YOU are the one specifying which ones we need.

Frosty May 25, 2014 07:54AM

I did make an assumption that may not have been Correct.

RockTheWayneJ May 25, 2014 07:58AM

I've made myself quite clear. YOU are creating this schism. YOU were the one who started to badmouth Sam's character. YOU made the assumption I was a rager-player to account for me liking Sam's character.

Frosty May 25, 2014 08:05AM

Pointing your finger, still? (n/t)

RockTheWayneJ May 25, 2014 08:17AM

Hey, YOU asked. (n/t)

Frosty May 25, 2014 08:53AM

Hey Frosty.

Matrik May 25, 2014 09:02AM

Hello.

Frosty May 25, 2014 09:37AM

I liked Jindicho.

Batman May 25, 2014 03:13AM

I killed Jin-dicko. ;) nt

crafteddeception May 25, 2014 06:52AM

Me too :) (n/t)

Matrik May 25, 2014 06:54AM

I loved Jindicho.

wrathpuppet May 25, 2014 02:48AM

Didn't Sam also play Ohbehb? Or did Sam just recommend his BFF Hairy NbMrangutan for that position? (n/t)

RockTheWayneJ May 25, 2014 07:02AM

Seriously? (n/t)

wrathpuppet May 25, 2014 07:14AM

Keep it up and people are going to start calling you Pro. Just sayin'. (n/t)

Frosty May 25, 2014 07:10AM

It was a serious question. Who played Ohbehb? (n/t)

RockTheWayneJ May 25, 2014 07:12AM

But you answered your own question. (n/t)

Frosty May 25, 2014 07:15AM

No I didn't. I asked if it was Sam, NbM, or Orangutan. (n/t)

RockTheWayneJ May 25, 2014 07:16AM

Sounds like a Pro. (n/t)

Frosty May 25, 2014 07:18AM

Sounds like you don't understand the purpose of a question mark. (n/t)

RockTheWayneJ May 25, 2014 07:19AM

You're a bad actor? (n/t)

Frosty May 25, 2014 07:20AM

You're an idiot.

RockTheWayneJ May 25, 2014 07:23AM

You should attend Juilliard?

Frosty May 25, 2014 07:30AM

The game does not need "more" players. It needs more *quality* players. Because you're good at missing the point, I'll clarify that I am not saying Sam isn't a quality player.

RockTheWayneJ May 25, 2014 07:33AM

The game needs more players. You're being an assclown. (n/t)

Frosty May 25, 2014 07:40AM

The game needs more *quality* players. Not just more players in general (not in this context, anyway).

RockTheWayneJ May 25, 2014 07:45AM

The game needs more players, old or new, it does not matter. The game needs more players.

Frosty May 25, 2014 07:51AM

It's easy to call someone else's view askew and your own as direct and correct, isn't it?

RockTheWayneJ May 25, 2014 07:55AM

This is fairly simple. The game needs more players, Sam is(or was) a player, therefore I would like Sam to continue to be a player.

Frosty May 25, 2014 08:00AM

Re: Seriously?

zannon May 24, 2014 06:25AM

Wow.

wrathpuppet May 24, 2014 09:00AM

People complaining about getting into outlander? I still just know the basics of the cabal and I did it twice, easily. Just let people complain. (n/t)

funnyone May 25, 2014 03:01AM

+10000000000000000000000000000000000 (n/t)

Frosty May 24, 2014 06:58AM

Hopefully you will find this easier to read

Bemus-ed May 21, 2014 03:11PM

I see you haven't changed.

Matrik May 21, 2014 05:12AM

Maybe it's not the demonization of your forum personality, but your actual forum personality, or for that matter, actual personality

HairyOrangutan May 21, 2014 04:30AM

I barely know who you are.

PaulO May 21, 2014 04:27AM

Edges

MiyagiYojimbo May 20, 2014 04:10PM

It's more like you want to play baseball, have 4 other people, and tell new people they can only join you after being batboy for 2 years. NT (n/t)

Falstaff May 20, 2014 05:35PM

+1

Wendigotorn May 21, 2014 03:27AM

Is it? Can someone translate this to a non-sports ball analogy? (n/t)

Matrik May 21, 2014 05:13AM

How about I translate it to business-speak

Falstaff May 21, 2014 06:41AM

I see.

Matrik May 21, 2014 11:17AM

Re: I see.

Falstaff May 22, 2014 09:26AM

Good job. Solid post without any whining that is obviously centered around you. (n/t)

Matrik May 22, 2014 10:44AM

Ha ha! Yes and no. CF is exactly like that, but not because of edges. (n/t)

MiyagiYojimbo May 20, 2014 05:51PM

Agreed. Edges are "nice-to-haves", nothing more. NT (n/t)

Falstaff May 20, 2014 06:10PM

several change the dynamic and threshold of your power. nt

crafteddeception May 20, 2014 06:11PM

Yes, but from the standpoint of a newbie you will not be instant hero-chow if you don't get many edges. NT (n/t)

Falstaff May 20, 2014 06:14PM

Couple things.

Sam May 20, 2014 11:43AM

Irregardless is fine. Language is dictated by the users of the language.

vortexmagus May 19, 2014 08:49PM

Irregardless is not fine. Ir is a prefix to opposite. The word is regardless. To say irregardless mean to regard, much the same as "dethaw" means to freeze. (n/t)

Perpetual_Noob May 20, 2014 12:56PM

but antidisestablishmentarianism is a word that contains two negative prefixes as well.

vortexmagus May 21, 2014 08:21AM

Jesus man you 'Ain't' gonna win this argument! Now go and dethaw that hamburger before it goes bad. ;)

Nurok May 21, 2014 09:16AM

Would you use it in a job interview? Because I'd wager you 'Ain't' getting that job..unless its minimum wage. (n/t)

Nurok May 20, 2014 04:13AM

I enjoyed your post until you went "irregardless" on me. (n/t)

Perpetual_Noob May 19, 2014 05:57PM

Very solid read, made me think of a few things. Just to be true to Dio's spirit of trolling - "irregardless" is not a word. (n/t)

Noone of significance May 19, 2014 04:42PM

The Oxford dictionary disagrees. nt

Yhorian May 20, 2014 12:01AM

It isn't a word. The dictionary entry summarized is "This isn't a word, use regardless instead"

Nurok May 20, 2014 04:10AM

That's educational, thanks. I'll probably still use it - it's very colloquial welsh. nt

Yhorian May 21, 2014 03:53AM

TL/DR: Points mean Prizes. No one likes a winner. Stop playing. nt

Yhorian May 19, 2014 03:09PM



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