From deaththread, but this point I made is very important to me.

August 04, 2018 04:36AM
Btw, kudos to Rahsael for making that post on officials to attempt to give newbies an idea on how to get into Cabals. Cabal life is rather necessary for the game imho.

Two players trying to get into CABAL X.

Player A has played for 20 years and has been leader of CABAL X multiple times before. They have a harddrive full of all the info they jealously guard that they've accumulated over the years from OOC buddies, imms, and genuine exploration that they may have done.
Player B has played for 1 year, and is trying to get into CABAL X.

Player A has been around for decades, and has seen every historical moment of Cabal X from the inside. He asks for an interview, and knows more about the cabal than the interviewer. Player A gets in immediately, gets cabal powers so his char is more powerful, starts collecting imm praise, edgepoints etc. Player A knew how to craft his role to perfectly align with the correct cabal, and immortal religion to max out his character's power before he even rolled. Everythign will fall into place perfect, he will have the most powerful character in the current metagame possible, he will have easy leveling, easy tattoo, easy induction, and he already knows the plan for every part of the character's life.


Player B is trying to figure the game out. He has an underpowered build, doesn't know anything and reads the helpfiles and tries to apply but doesn't know all of the correct answers that the interviewer wants. He's sent on a wild goose chase involving lyceum, essay writing, or some other grindy shit involving dozens of hours. He comes back to the interviewer again, but the interviewer shits on the applicant again because he doesn't know "exactly" how the cabal works. Sends him off for another dozen or so hours with minimal effort to educate. Meanwhile player B has no cabal, no cabal powers, no friends, and trying to solo it. Player A at this point is receiving edgepoints, the benefit of cabal powers, using the cabal to get better gear, and is now deck out with good gear, better edges, better powers, and is ganking player B with his cabal mates while receiving imm praise. If player B ever gets into the cabal he's late to the show, probably low on con, and enthusiasm. And here's the kicker.. The imms hate underdogs. Player B got shit on by the cabal leader already. Imms will ignore and not reward this kind of player.

I encourage EVERYONE in player B's situation to log onto discord, and ask the players how to get into the cabal you want. Ask the players how to play the game. Honest to god, you don't need to spend 100 hours being SHIT upon by the elites and immstaff just to learn this "magic bullshit" everyone is talking about. The "magic bullshit" is a thin veil that's not very magical or special. The elites know the secret handshakes and phrases and they abuse prior knowledge to get easy access cabals. There's no reward for doing anythign the "hard way" in CF. There's no benevolant imm who will recognize you for doing things the hard way. Doing things the hard way in CF is a fool's errand, and a trick that is played on every noob who attempts to play. The vets don't do things the hard way. The way you learn about the game is to have a good player take you aside and explain it straight up without requiring you to invest 100 hrs.


The power snowball that CF has is ridiculous. Good gear, good builds, good cabal power synergy, a tattoo, the right edges, preps, good skill %s make powerhouses. The vets and elites keep trying to bring up roleplay and "magic", but it's anything but magic and RP. The elites aren't learning. They aren't working even 1/10th as hard as they want noobies to work for it.. They tell you not to be a powergamer. They don't want to help you. They say "RP" is more important than anything else. They are min-maxing more than you realize. It's time you equip yourself and start minmaxxing back.



Edited 9 time(s). Last edit at 08/04/2018 05:11AM by physics.
Subject Author Posted

From deaththread, but this point I made is very important to me.

physics August 04, 2018 04:36AM

This reminds me of how I inducted Krisnif

Murphy August 13, 2018 03:28PM

Two people love you - funnyone and pro, you make them look good. (n/t)

Noone of significance August 06, 2018 03:16PM

I didn’t read all this crap. I told him to just expect a gang because the fortress is where all the weak go to gang. (n/t)

funnyone August 08, 2018 06:59AM

Dude, you're the problem

Tadam August 05, 2018 07:11PM

I actually did the reverse as Zah

Kez August 04, 2018 05:26PM

Nice to hear, I feel once given a shot most could do well

Malgrim August 05, 2018 04:59AM

Thumbsup.

physics August 05, 2018 04:23AM

Keep in mind..

Java August 05, 2018 06:58AM

I never did that

Kez August 05, 2018 11:20AM

You sure?

Java August 05, 2018 08:24PM

I agree about the difficulty it takes for newbs to get into a cabal

Malgrim August 04, 2018 03:11PM

This is exactly what I'm talking about. Cut the shit, recruiters. -nt-

physics August 04, 2018 03:38PM

The irony being you are here and the wiki here has a map

daurwyn August 05, 2018 01:18AM

I've never had a problem with learning / figuring shit out. Here's what I have a problem with.

physics August 05, 2018 04:30AM

So are you telling us that you want everyone to be inducted to whatever cabal they want..

Java August 05, 2018 06:43AM

this is the guy who thought finding an alternative to charred bracer was a hardship

Quas August 05, 2018 07:54AM

If you are an addict you aren't living by your own rules

daurwyn August 05, 2018 05:01AM

Re: If you are an addict you aren't living by your own rules

physics August 05, 2018 02:55PM

Re: If you are an addict you aren't living by your own rules

physics August 05, 2018 02:51PM

Blaming something else still?

daurwyn August 05, 2018 07:48PM

Except for it didn't result in him becoming a competent pker

Kstatida August 05, 2018 02:17AM

I disagree

daurwyn August 05, 2018 04:57AM

yawn

Kstatida August 05, 2018 07:06AM

Anyone who's anyone knows...

Brujah August 07, 2018 09:54PM

You've got skillz boy

Kstatida August 07, 2018 11:49PM

I don't know who that is

Brujah August 08, 2018 03:45AM

That's how everybody wins

Kstatida August 08, 2018 06:28AM

Then what you are saying is I have a high pk ability because I've gone 34 and 5...while I was just last hitting people. (n/t)

tesline August 05, 2018 07:35AM

What I am saying

Kstatida August 05, 2018 08:05AM

For my next cabal interview

TJHuron August 04, 2018 07:16AM

Oh fuck

Kstatida August 04, 2018 07:20AM

Player A and player B likely did things the "hard way" (n/t)

saagkri August 04, 2018 06:59AM

In fact, they may have done it before Discord, QHCF or Officials even existed. (n/t)

saagkri August 04, 2018 07:00AM

Let's take a look at MharlnDarn and see how he was rewarded for being a shitty rper who shit on newbies (OH BUT WAS GREAT AT PK)

physics August 04, 2018 07:07AM

And of all people, it's fucking Mharlndarn! (n/t)

Kstatida August 04, 2018 07:19AM

You're so right. All the elites walked uphill to school both ways /s

physics August 04, 2018 07:04AM

Yes, well, I was speaking from experience. I never got anything from email like that and killed Twist's last character (that I know of) twice. And he was the aggressor both times. (n/t)

saagkri August 04, 2018 01:05PM

Player A and player B likely did things the "hard way" (n/t)

saagkri August 04, 2018 06:59AM

Food for thought - most people play this game because they like it (n/t)

mcbeth August 04, 2018 06:37AM

Sure. Stop obstructing, and open the game up to new players.

physics August 04, 2018 06:59AM

Sure. Stop obstructing, and open the game up to new players.

physics August 04, 2018 06:59AM

That's too broad

Kstatida August 04, 2018 06:39AM

You're wrong

daurwyn August 04, 2018 06:28AM

Undaraxyl didn't / doesn't give two shits about applicants.

physics August 04, 2018 06:44AM

It’s the way you played bro

Quas August 04, 2018 08:55AM

This

daurwyn August 04, 2018 11:14AM

I will agree that is shitty if that’s what Undaraxyl is doing

TJHuron August 04, 2018 07:22AM

fwiw i was told that the flame isn't supposed to be doing any inducting when Malchazzar was running the show.

Rhyaldrin August 04, 2018 08:52AM

If you can't induct, here's what you do.

physics August 04, 2018 09:56AM

Nah, you probably works have got inducted

daurwyn August 04, 2018 11:15AM

If you can't induct, here's what you do.

physics August 04, 2018 09:56AM

But first I want to check that they aren't some fairweather paper-thin rp'er

Kstatida August 04, 2018 06:30AM

Examples.

physics August 04, 2018 04:52AM



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