So I actually like debating with you

December 21, 2016 05:28PM
Because unlike most of the memers in this forum, you try to source your discussions in solid evidence and you actually try and do research to back up your points. Miyagi and Rhyaldrin are constitutionally incapable of making an intelligent point and mostly resort to memes and hot air to discuss things. I'll try and engage you a little more.

To be brief, however, Glenn Greenwald dropped this article 11 days ago, critical of the Washington Post's article. Since then, multiple other intelligence organizations, not merely the "untrustworthy CIA" but everything from the FBI to the Director of National Intelligence to the NSA have all come out in support of this conclusion.

Furthermore, there's a lot of independent evidence outside of these intelligence organizations. For example, three of the most prominent cybersecurity organizations in the US have done investigations on the hacks and concluded that they were state-linked actors in Russian intelligence. Though NbM supposedly works in InfoSecurity, he's repeatedly refused to comment on these reports or explain why some of his biggest and most prestigious peers appear to disagree with his conclusions:

Crowdstrike:

[www.crowdstrike.com]

[www.crowdstrike.com]

ThreatConnect on Guccifer 2.0:

[www.threatconnect.com]

[www.threatconnect.com]

Secureworks on the hacks:

[www.secureworks.com]

You can see the evidence and methodology they use here. These accusations are NOT only sourced in vague "intelligence reports" by "anonymous officials", as Glenn Greenwald suggests. These are three independent cybersecurity companies, none of them partisan, each conducting their own investigation, and each coming to the same conclusion on their own. It seems ridiculous to me that there are people still trying to question this.
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PaulO December 20, 2016 11:31AM

fuck double posted (n/t)

vortexmagus December 21, 2016 05:28PM

Like your sources. (n/t)

Frosty December 21, 2016 07:10PM

So I actually like debating with you

vortexmagus December 21, 2016 05:28PM

To summarize...

Death_Claw March 20, 2017 09:37AM

You do realize that their conclusion is "We think it was Russia" not "It was Russia"

Nurok December 22, 2016 10:24AM

Well, there's a reason for that.

MiyagiYojimbo December 22, 2016 02:11AM

So while your article is interesting, I'm not sure where your line of thought is leading to here

vortexmagus December 26, 2016 01:36AM

Sorry, Vortex, just saw this.

MiyagiYojimbo December 31, 2016 12:04PM

Interesting, curious to see how this pans out (n/t)

starbright December 22, 2016 02:21AM

Nice reads, thanks for sharing

starbright December 21, 2016 11:07PM

To me, whether or not Russia hacked the emails isn't the issue.

Jib December 22, 2016 09:04AM

Thanks: good to get your views

starbright December 22, 2016 09:47AM

Re: Thanks: good to get your views

Jib December 22, 2016 10:33AM

Some of these seem reasonable to me

starbright December 23, 2016 11:01AM

My thoughts on your thoughts: Everything else

vortexmagus December 26, 2016 12:46AM

Re: My thoughts on your thoughts: Everything else

starbright December 26, 2016 06:39AM

Couple of remarks on your couple of thoughts, sporadic

Kstatida December 26, 2016 01:48AM

My thoughts on your thoughts: health insurance

vortexmagus December 26, 2016 12:17AM

If you behave well enough, you might even get normal healthcare someday

Kstatida December 26, 2016 01:30AM

We agree on this. I think Obamacare was terrible, its just a big step up from the shitshow that came before it, that Trump wants to go back to. (n/t)

vortexmagus December 26, 2016 01:34AM

You mean when working people had affordable healthcare?

Rhyaldrin December 26, 2016 02:26AM

That's the core of the problem

Kstatida December 26, 2016 03:21AM

I think it's quite specific to the US. Most other countries (even developing ones) have healthcare coverage for emergencies

starbright December 26, 2016 05:22AM

Singapore is unique and interesting

Kstatida December 26, 2016 05:30AM

Yeah the country has a large population of migrant workers who do not have welfare privileges

starbright December 26, 2016 06:51AM

Yeah, in that case our views are aligned re: obamacare, but a daring proposal if I may

starbright December 26, 2016 01:21AM

About 1)...if you're ever bored and want some interesting reading, check out the Pharm companies efforts to keep medicinal marijuana from being legalized. NT

Sam December 26, 2016 01:49AM

This seems exactly like the sorts of things pharma companies might be incentivized to do! (n/t)

starbright December 26, 2016 05:15AM

I'm not sure there is market research available

Kstatida December 26, 2016 01:53AM

I mean, I completely agree, Obamacare is inherently flawed and universal healthcare is far more efficient/effective.

vortexmagus December 26, 2016 01:32AM

Some thoughts

Kstatida December 24, 2016 12:46AM

Didn't know that about the TPP, good to know

starbright December 24, 2016 02:07AM

RE: media favoring trump

Nurok December 22, 2016 09:15AM

Good point.For all the retards who bought into it, I guess we have to give a lot of folks credit for seeing through the B.S.

Jib December 22, 2016 09:23AM

That's my favorite thing about this whole election.

MiyagiYojimbo December 22, 2016 01:24PM

Fucking Nexus ruining shit again. God dammit. NT

Sam December 22, 2016 01:29PM

Holy shit! Nice catch, Sam.

MiyagiYojimbo December 22, 2016 01:33PM

I actually wonder

Kstatida December 21, 2016 09:34PM

But, but, but.. the CIA!!!!!

NbM(VIP) December 20, 2016 12:03PM



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