Some thoughts

December 24, 2016 12:46AM
First, I'd not lump NAFTA and TPP together. They go for different purpose and different ideas.

NAFTA aims to tie Mexico/Canada to U.S. by sharing some of the U.S. assets. That idea is very similar to Nixon-Xiaoping treaties in 1972 (which Trump also seems to have an idea to thwart).

TPP is clearly a transnational corp project, not a U.S. project. People often say "hey TPP overrides national laws with corporate courts", what they overlook is that it overrides U.S. national laws with corporate courts as well. So it'a not "U.S. tramples national governments in favor of itself", it's actually "U.S. tramples itself and other governments in favor of corporations".

In this way, those treaties are very different and I think it's important to differentiate.


Second. When talking about free trade - you should always mind subject, i.e. WHOSE free trade are we talking about. Historically, "free trade" was always about developed countries companies having access to inferior country markets. I don't know how much of a "free" trade it was, but the term was there. So when a person says "I'm all for free trade" meaning "I like the global markets and free exchange of labour, goods and services", it's important to understand that there's no such thing. It's an idea which is promoted, but never implemented.
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PaulO December 20, 2016 11:31AM

fuck double posted (n/t)

vortexmagus December 21, 2016 05:28PM

Like your sources. (n/t)

Frosty December 21, 2016 07:10PM

So I actually like debating with you

vortexmagus December 21, 2016 05:28PM

To summarize...

Death_Claw March 20, 2017 09:37AM

You do realize that their conclusion is "We think it was Russia" not "It was Russia"

Nurok December 22, 2016 10:24AM

Well, there's a reason for that.

MiyagiYojimbo December 22, 2016 02:11AM

So while your article is interesting, I'm not sure where your line of thought is leading to here

vortexmagus December 26, 2016 01:36AM

Sorry, Vortex, just saw this.

MiyagiYojimbo December 31, 2016 12:04PM

Interesting, curious to see how this pans out (n/t)

starbright December 22, 2016 02:21AM

Nice reads, thanks for sharing

starbright December 21, 2016 11:07PM

To me, whether or not Russia hacked the emails isn't the issue.

Jib December 22, 2016 09:04AM

Thanks: good to get your views

starbright December 22, 2016 09:47AM

Re: Thanks: good to get your views

Jib December 22, 2016 10:33AM

Some of these seem reasonable to me

starbright December 23, 2016 11:01AM

My thoughts on your thoughts: Everything else

vortexmagus December 26, 2016 12:46AM

Re: My thoughts on your thoughts: Everything else

starbright December 26, 2016 06:39AM

Couple of remarks on your couple of thoughts, sporadic

Kstatida December 26, 2016 01:48AM

My thoughts on your thoughts: health insurance

vortexmagus December 26, 2016 12:17AM

If you behave well enough, you might even get normal healthcare someday

Kstatida December 26, 2016 01:30AM

We agree on this. I think Obamacare was terrible, its just a big step up from the shitshow that came before it, that Trump wants to go back to. (n/t)

vortexmagus December 26, 2016 01:34AM

You mean when working people had affordable healthcare?

Rhyaldrin December 26, 2016 02:26AM

That's the core of the problem

Kstatida December 26, 2016 03:21AM

I think it's quite specific to the US. Most other countries (even developing ones) have healthcare coverage for emergencies

starbright December 26, 2016 05:22AM

Singapore is unique and interesting

Kstatida December 26, 2016 05:30AM

Yeah the country has a large population of migrant workers who do not have welfare privileges

starbright December 26, 2016 06:51AM

Yeah, in that case our views are aligned re: obamacare, but a daring proposal if I may

starbright December 26, 2016 01:21AM

About 1)...if you're ever bored and want some interesting reading, check out the Pharm companies efforts to keep medicinal marijuana from being legalized. NT

Sam December 26, 2016 01:49AM

This seems exactly like the sorts of things pharma companies might be incentivized to do! (n/t)

starbright December 26, 2016 05:15AM

I'm not sure there is market research available

Kstatida December 26, 2016 01:53AM

I mean, I completely agree, Obamacare is inherently flawed and universal healthcare is far more efficient/effective.

vortexmagus December 26, 2016 01:32AM

Some thoughts

Kstatida December 24, 2016 12:46AM

Didn't know that about the TPP, good to know

starbright December 24, 2016 02:07AM

RE: media favoring trump

Nurok December 22, 2016 09:15AM

Good point.For all the retards who bought into it, I guess we have to give a lot of folks credit for seeing through the B.S.

Jib December 22, 2016 09:23AM

That's my favorite thing about this whole election.

MiyagiYojimbo December 22, 2016 01:24PM

Fucking Nexus ruining shit again. God dammit. NT

Sam December 22, 2016 01:29PM

Holy shit! Nice catch, Sam.

MiyagiYojimbo December 22, 2016 01:33PM

I actually wonder

Kstatida December 21, 2016 09:34PM

But, but, but.. the CIA!!!!!

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