Much better post.

Sam
May 02, 2017 06:52AM
Well, to my knowledge, some of the countries that abolished slavery without war (like France) did it through totalitarian governments that held more power than the US government ever has.

These countries (likely...as I'm only going on the European countries that abolished it) DID GO THROUGH CIVIL WARS, they just weren't about slavery. To an extent, the US is such an outlier in terms of countries, in that we're 1) Fucking huge...literally, the US is like the 5th biggest country in the world 2) Filled with a bunch of different religious dissidents, so there is no one true majority (I guess WASPs would count, but not sure) unlike other countries where there is a clear cultural/racial majority 3) We were a new country (I've seen some terribly stupid posts by certain African-American activists where they are trying show how recent slavery was, yet they never mention that this country has NOT had slavery for 2 times as long as we had Slavery).

To a large extent the American political system was still being created (as I mentioned in my post re: Missouri Compromise) and thus it was always unlikely that such an important issue would be able to be solved with mere diplomacy. Many tried though, but again, the Southern Slave-holding states felt that abolishing slavery would DESTROY THEIR WAY OF LIFE, so nothing short of kidnapping all the Southern senators and forcing them to sign an agreement on the pain of death, we weren't going to be able to solve that issue without war.

PS To anyone claiming that Slavery wasn't the cause of the War and using the states' right argument, it's wrong (but not 100% you're bat-shit crazy wrong). Southern slave-holding states were so worried about slavery being outlawed that they wouldn't even allow a new state to join the Union without "balancing" the books. They didn't require these states to have certain economic obligations to the South. They didn't require these states to increase inter-state commerce. They required these states to legalize slavery. That's what the war was about.

I mean, if you wanted to make the argument that it was a cultural war on the macro level, I can buy that. We're kinda going through one right now.
Subject Author Posted

So Rhyaldrin and Trump supporters, how ya like your boy right now? Wants to chill with dictators, wants to repeal the 1st Amendment, can't remember when Andrew Jackson died, doesn't know why the Civil War happened.

Sam May 02, 2017 03:17AM

Comfy and happy. (n/t)

Matrik May 02, 2017 06:34AM

for what it's worth. Re: civil war

PaulO May 02, 2017 03:37AM

Also, this is the same president who dropped bombs on Afghanistan and Syria in the last 45 days. Really trying to settle things without a war, totally. NT

Sam May 02, 2017 05:43AM

GTFOH with that shit.

Sam May 02, 2017 05:38AM

Relax, I wasn't calling you a Berkeley liberal

PaulO May 02, 2017 06:39AM

You are asking a different question than Trump.

Balrahd May 02, 2017 10:27PM

Did you read the article?

PaulO May 03, 2017 03:01AM

Nullification crisis anyone?

Kstatida May 03, 2017 03:09AM

What right wing extremists? (n/t)

Rhyaldrin May 02, 2017 10:59PM

He lost me there, too. (n/t)

Jib May 02, 2017 11:01PM

I'm not a history expert, but no war is started over slavery

Kstatida May 02, 2017 07:26AM

Would you say that Southern states seceded because of fear of losing slavery?

Jib May 02, 2017 08:42AM

Well

Kstatida May 02, 2017 08:58AM

So you are saying that the fear of losing slavery had no impact on any of the Southern states secessions?

Jib May 02, 2017 09:21AM

You ask wrong questions

Kstatida May 02, 2017 09:44AM

I'm not asking the questions to come to a specific conclusion, I'm asking them to have a discussion.

Jib May 02, 2017 11:04AM

And that is easy

Kstatida May 02, 2017 11:15AM

Is it propaganda if its true?

Jib May 02, 2017 12:44PM

What I'm saying is that if the driving force behind south was not slavery but chickenbutts

Kstatida May 02, 2017 09:38PM

Okay, okay, I get it.

Jib May 02, 2017 11:17PM

You're obviously biased and putting words into my mouth

Kstatida May 02, 2017 11:42PM

You're focusing on the wrong things, just to argue now. Okay, let me try this again, removing bias.

Jib May 03, 2017 08:13AM

No

Kstatida May 03, 2017 08:21AM

We're splitting hairs here. It's okay, I get what you're saying.

Jib May 03, 2017 09:01AM

Agreed

Kstatida May 03, 2017 09:05AM

Slaves were the WMDs of their day (n/t)

wishore May 03, 2017 08:00AM

Standing for? (n/t)

Kstatida May 03, 2017 08:06AM

I believe WMD stands for

wishore May 03, 2017 08:10AM

Wholesale Method of Distraction. (n/t)

The Faithful of Nazmorghul(VIP) May 26, 2017 04:52PM

Absolutely.

PaulO May 02, 2017 08:57AM

Holy Christ, you'd fit right in with the Nazi's and White Nationalists in America. Bravo.

Sam May 02, 2017 07:38AM

You have repeated my statement with your counterarguments, Sam

Kstatida May 02, 2017 07:41AM

You're stupidity has won out, I just can't do it anymore. Just like Sultan on .info, you've driven me from Dio's. Enjoy the throne. NT

Sam May 02, 2017 07:42AM

What the Fuck is wrong with you?

physics May 02, 2017 07:25AM

Wow... maybe that isn't an unfair stereotype of the left being angry and intolerant (n/t)

TJHuron May 02, 2017 04:53PM

This post is why I voted for Trump. God save the King. (n/t)

Matrik May 02, 2017 12:19PM

To be honest, me too.

Jib May 02, 2017 12:45PM

We boys Jib, we boys. (n/t)

Matrik May 02, 2017 12:51PM

Nah, you are what's wrong because you think you know me but you don't.

PaulO May 02, 2017 07:47AM

The problem with you, dude,

Kstatida May 02, 2017 07:50AM

Re: The problem with you, dude, is that you like to think????

physics May 02, 2017 08:09AM

Re: The problem with you, dude, is that you like to think????

PaulO May 02, 2017 08:31AM

Huge issue for us to, if only your mother had tried harder. (n/t)

wishore May 03, 2017 08:09AM

Re: The problem with you, dude, is that you like to think????

Kstatida May 02, 2017 08:11AM

Re: The problem with you, dude, is that you like to think????

physics May 02, 2017 08:19AM

Re: The problem with you, dude, is that you like to think????

Kstatida May 02, 2017 08:21AM

Calmer than you are, dude. (n/t)

Jib May 02, 2017 07:29AM

Much better post.

Sam May 02, 2017 06:52AM

FWIW I think American Civil War had little to do with slavery

Kstatida May 02, 2017 05:30AM

Actual professor of American history discusses this issue with sources:

vortexmagus May 22, 2017 07:24AM

It was all so Abe Lincoln could stop the vampires (n/t)

TJHuron May 02, 2017 06:54PM

I don't see no vampires around, way to go Abe. (n/t)

jhyrbian May 02, 2017 07:01PM

Odin said he'd get rid of the Frost Giants. Though he did get most of them, some remain.

Frosty May 02, 2017 07:10PM

Re: FWIW I think American Civil War had little to do with slavery

Isildur(VIP) May 02, 2017 07:09AM

Despite any notion to the contrary

zannon May 02, 2017 07:38AM

You contradict yourself

Kstatida May 02, 2017 07:43AM

Some things are done for moral reasons, not that russians understand right and wrong. (n/t)

NbM(VIP) May 02, 2017 08:13AM

Define right

Kstatida May 02, 2017 08:25AM

Right and wrong is contextual and subjective

zannon May 02, 2017 09:36AM

Great points but : Slavery was considered good and right for Thousands of years

wishore May 03, 2017 09:22AM

Exactly, my good man

Kstatida May 02, 2017 10:50AM

They were willing to let them keep slavery, just not allowing new states to have it. And thus, the Southern states feared losing their majority/power, so they seceded before we could fully abolish it. NT

Sam May 02, 2017 07:40AM

And U.S. - Spain war was started because Maine exploded

Kstatida May 02, 2017 07:29AM

Preserve the Union! (n/t)

PaulO May 02, 2017 07:09AM

LOL. Russians committ genocide on their own people. NT

Sam May 02, 2017 05:38AM

I'm done talking to you long ago

Kstatida May 02, 2017 05:40AM

Like, seriously. You posted that the Civil War wasn't about slavery. LOL. NT

Sam May 02, 2017 05:42AM

I was talking to PaulO

Kstatida May 02, 2017 06:08AM

And you're fucking wrong, you genocidal cuck. Shouldn't you be making sure your wife isn't giving out handjobs for rubles? NT

Sam May 02, 2017 06:15AM

Go fuck yourself

Kstatida May 02, 2017 06:16AM

So sad. You literally have nothing intelligent to say, ever.

Sam May 02, 2017 06:20AM

I've got nothing to say to you, fucking idiot. Not now, not ever.

Kstatida May 02, 2017 06:28AM

Alright, I tried to warn you. NT

Sam May 02, 2017 06:42AM

Yet you still keep posting incredibly stupid shit, over and over and over again. How's it feel to be living in a country where they committ genocide on their own people? NT

Sam May 02, 2017 05:41AM



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