I hate labels.

May 02, 2017 10:24PM
Since some conservatives wanted to argue the issues, here they are, and why I think you are ruining the country.
It's amazing that it's only been 3 months and you can tell objectively and surely that the country is being ruined.

I think your list is generally too long. Taxing and regulations should not be the de facto reaction of government to a problem. Moral laws should not exist. Defense of our nation should be the government's highest priority, as well as protecting the freedoms of our constitution. Law enforcement, and infrastructure, both necessary. Education should be provided for, more locally the better. The government should stay out of most of the rest, unless shit hits the fan somewhere and we can vote on it.

Abortion: Nobody likes abortion, but conservative politicians love to divide us on emotional issues. Keep abortion safe and legal, otherwise we have back alley abortions which kill moms. Promote a sex education based on facts instead of christian morality. Teach kids how to have safe sex, and then provide contraception to all women for free. You'll have less abortion, less poverty, and a more productive population of women. All of my position is based on research which I'd be happy to cite. Plenty of states have tried everything and now we have the best solution.
I don't think that we should be either creating moral laws or forcing people to do something they don't want to. There has to be a limit very early in the pregnancy, but I don't really like arguing the abortion issue, it seems more like a personal issue to me, and I think we have it more or less under control.

On the other hand, the government has no business in sex education or providing contraception. We can manage our personal selves and our families just fine without the help of government, thanks.

Fiscal responsibility: Government spends too much money, and takes in too little money. People are too goddamn selfish, and taxes are not evil. We should hike taxes on wealthy individuals, and run the government more efficiently. I think we should take a hard look at how much $$ we spend on corporate welfare, and high income welfare (thinking mortgage deduction). If we wanna let capitalism decide winners and losers, then we need to stop funding the losers. However I admit that I don't understand all of the details behind farm subsidies etc. Insurance programs to keep the country running may not be a bad idea. I would need to know more.
I agree that the government spends too much money. I agree tax loopholes and special interest lobbying for large corporations is a problem. I would say that preventing corporations from being able to contribute to political campaigns might be a good thing, but even better would be to simplify the tax codes to simply get rid of all theses exceptions and loopholes for which the corporations lobby in the first place.

Progressive taxes are probably a good thing, but we have to be careful to not use taxing the wealthy as a cure-all for having a bad fiscal policy in the first place. HRC's campaign was cringe-worthy in this aspect, and her tax the wealthy bullshit was too over the to for me, and I'm glad that a lot of people saw through it. Because it's a slippery slope.

Defense: Cut spending dramatically. Use the gifts our research and development has created to run our military more efficiently. Reduce our presence around the world and isolate ourselves from unilateral engagements. Let the world decide together to do shit. Empathize with the folks who hate our guts enough so we understand what the fuck they're blowing us up over and then consider stop doing the shit (occupation, meddling, regime changing) that makes folks hate our guts.
The government's primary role is to protect our sovereignty and freedom. I wish we wouldn't fight all of these proxy wars and constant wars in the Middle East. It's fucking ridiculous and we all know it. But we need to be able to project our force quickly and efficiently if a nation is building to threaten us. Nuclear proliferation is also something that we should always be concerned about, and a strong military is the one thing that can really prevent this. I don't think we want to see more countries enriching uranium without thinking about the consequences.

The defense budget is fine, we do need to get more value out of our tax dollars though, and not let the defense contractors run the show.

It's not in my nature to empathize with folks who hate my guts, especially if they wish my family or neighbors or friends harm. I don't really get this way of thinking.

Regulation: Smack the fuck out of wall street, banks, and companies who are abusing their position to fuck over Americans. Regulation is the only way that capitalism can be prevented from annihilating us. Make your shit, sell your shit, but don't be so fucking greedy. Look at helping out small businesses navigate regulations. I'd like to see a better checks and balances system invented. Regulation seems too reactive and shitty and harmful to business newcomers. Some regulations are shitty. Some are not. Again, not a simple problem.
I'm not sure what you mean by smacking the fuck out of banks and companies. "Don't be so fucking greedy" is a pretty .. I hate to say, ignorant view of capitalism. Greed is such a subjective term. Unfair monopolies and such should be prevented via regulation only when it harms the citizens directly, not because we feel someone is making too much money, or getting too greedy. Greed is a valid impetus for capitalism. However, it's the free market that should curb the greed through competition, not regulation. Again, in cases where competition is not possible due to monopoly, this is where regulation can be applied.

It's never a problem for small business to navigate regulations if regulations aren't so overarching in the first place. My only guess on what you really mean is that regulations should protect the small business, not empower large corporations. If that's what you're saying, then I could probably agree.

Education: Lots of people in America are lazy and want a fast solution for nothing. Education is the long term investment in the country's future. College has got to be cheaper. For-profit schools need to go away. Public schools need to be improved, and any private religious school who wants tax dollars can go fuck themselves. Any kid who applies themselves should be incentivized with cheap higher education, and quality job opportunities.
I can't really argue with any of this. If I were being selfish, I would prefer private religious schools do get tax dollars, because this is where I need to send my children in lieu of any actual decent public education in my area, but if the public system was working properly I agree it wouldn't be necessary. Education should be less regulated federally, and more controlled locally, which would solve some (but not all) of our issues with public k-12 education. I won't get into local/state issues here in California with public education because I don't think it has as much to do with the nation at large, but they are many and severe.

And for sure, we need to figure out how to make college cheaper, which probably implies expanding more colleges and universities.

Health care: Single payer system - people gotta stop abusing the system and going to the hospital for an MRI and a catscan whenever they get a splinter. Incentivize people who are making the right healthy choices with a smaller contribution. Let algorithms decide where and how to run hospitals.
We'll have to somehow start over from scratch on the whole system in order for anyone to be happy. I'm not confident in the government to be able to pull this off, although in theory, this is probably where we end up in 20 or 50 years. The insurance companies have too firm a hold on the industry right now and my fear is that (with a single payer system) we end up with the government (aka taxpayers) funding the insurance companies to do the same damn thing they are doing now, but within a government-subsidized system. I'm afraid it would be sold this way once democrats come into power. However, I'm not optimistic that Republicans can come up with anything much better. I'd prefer status quo than a faulty single-payer for sure.

I would prefer if the doctors could charge market prices for things and we take the stranglehold of the insurance companies out of dictating prices, but I'm not sure how that works or how we get there.

Environment: We've gotta reduce human population growth (see contraception and sex education), and then we've got to figure out how to conduct a human life without destroying the environment. We've gotta figure out how to replace coal. We've gotta manufacture more efficient houses that cost less than 200k. We've got to generate more electricity. We've got to replace internal combustion engines with electric motors. We've got to manufacture with less pollution, and we need sustainable resources which we can extract to sustain our energy needs. There's a lot of room for R&D and capitalism to work its magic here.
We don't really have a population growth problem here in the US, internally (edit to clarify: non-migration related), and we have a lot of room to grow. More sustainable energy is good, and I can't argue with any of that.

Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 05/02/2017 10:44PM by Jib.
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Meet a liberal day. (the issues only).

physics May 02, 2017 09:39AM

Re: Meet a liberal day. (the issues only).

Rade May 20, 2017 12:06PM

Re: Meet a liberal day. (the issues only).

Quixotic May 22, 2017 04:55PM

Re: Meet a liberal day. (the issues only).

Rade May 22, 2017 08:41PM

I am curious about your underlying assumptions.

Quixotic May 23, 2017 03:44PM

Re: I am curious about your underlying assumptions.

Rade May 24, 2017 04:59AM

To be fair

Kstatida May 21, 2017 02:35AM

Read _Dark Money_

Quixotic May 14, 2017 05:14PM

You're right about abortion. We also need infanticide clinics.

Rhyaldrin May 04, 2017 03:55PM

Hah (n/t)

TJHuron May 06, 2017 03:51AM

That's a good way, I also propose an enhancement

Kstatida May 04, 2017 10:00PM

Re: Meet a liberal day. (the issues only).

Balrahd May 03, 2017 10:04AM

my manifesto. txt

Isildur(VIP) May 10, 2017 07:42AM

As a citizen of country with VAT, I'm obliged to say

Kstatida May 10, 2017 08:21AM

Re: As a citizen of country with VAT, I'm obliged to say

Isildur(VIP) May 10, 2017 09:40AM

Re: As a citizen of country with VAT, I'm obliged to say

Kstatida May 10, 2017 10:12PM

some observations about this: txt

Isildur(VIP) May 10, 2017 07:52AM

we definitely need more death...ahem...estate taxes.

The Forsaken(VIP) May 03, 2017 12:52PM

Re: Meet a liberal day. (the issues only).

Jib May 03, 2017 10:45AM

Re: Meet a liberal day. (the issues only).

Balrahd May 03, 2017 11:13AM


Jib May 03, 2017 12:12PM

Filing separately only makes the marriage penalty worse

zannon May 04, 2017 02:26AM

There can be a marriage penalty

zannon May 03, 2017 11:04AM

Taxes are a tough thing to fix

zannon May 03, 2017 10:13AM

Re: Child credit is capped but there is a floor of $600

Balrahd May 03, 2017 11:05AM

Re: Trump tax plan

Jib May 03, 2017 12:05PM

I hate labels.

Jib May 02, 2017 10:24PM

Publically funded religious schools are unconstitutional

physics May 03, 2017 03:02AM

debatable. txt

Isildur(VIP) May 04, 2017 12:57PM

Call it a private school tax credit and let me decide what to do with it.

Jib May 03, 2017 07:56AM

It's not the public-ness of the school that is the problem

starbright May 03, 2017 11:04AM

Re: It's not the public-ness of the school that is the problem

Balrahd May 04, 2017 12:39AM

It's not class sizes, it's ability diversity and capacity for handling student questions

starbright May 04, 2017 02:35AM

Re: It's not class sizes, it's ability diversity and capacity for handling student questions

Balrahd May 04, 2017 10:24AM

I think, encourage what they are interested in.

Jib May 04, 2017 12:18PM

Yeah, actually you're right that most pursuits have an unequal talent distribution

starbright May 04, 2017 11:18AM

I don't really know about U.S., do you have academic contests or something?

Kstatida May 04, 2017 11:14AM

No. Everyone needs a participation prize. We don't want kids to feel bad about losing.

Jib May 04, 2017 12:21PM

^ recommended by Lenin to read and think on

Kstatida May 04, 2017 12:56AM

Re: recommended by Lenin

Murphy May 04, 2017 06:19AM

#4 is most important to me

PaulO May 03, 2017 06:58PM

I agree.

Jib May 03, 2017 12:33PM

Interesting correlations with schooling outcomes

starbright May 03, 2017 11:45PM

we need mo' money for dem programs. (n/t)

Rhyaldrin May 04, 2017 12:00AM

Re: we need mo' money for dem programs.

Kstatida May 04, 2017 12:51AM

gibs me dat. (n/t)

Rhyaldrin May 04, 2017 01:07AM

It's equalization that makes public schools bad

Kstatida May 03, 2017 08:05AM

Yep, exactly.

Jib May 03, 2017 08:20AM

That's interesting

Kstatida May 03, 2017 08:22AM

The argument is, that educating them is better than having masses of uneducated kids growing up into masses of uneducated, poor adults.

Jib May 03, 2017 08:35AM

So they're not exactly illegal

Kstatida May 03, 2017 08:37AM

Something like that.

Jib May 03, 2017 08:44AM

Hi. Meet a right-leaning anarchist total-isolationist traditionalist.

PaulO May 02, 2017 12:28PM

not to trumpet late stage capitalism, but, it applies here

The Forsaken(VIP) May 03, 2017 05:40AM

The problem with cronyism

PaulO May 03, 2017 06:45PM

The liberal economic dream.

physics May 02, 2017 01:26PM

Women's liberation is the reason for wage stagnation, not greedy rich people

Rade May 22, 2017 06:23PM

Because we are a country of Wealth worshippers

ORB May 03, 2017 04:53AM

This wall of text is offensive.

Rhyaldrin May 03, 2017 07:29PM

Buy local, even if it is more expensive. (n/t)

PaulO May 03, 2017 06:47PM

That's the rule I live by. My wife hates me for this

Kstatida May 03, 2017 11:08PM

Yeah agree that there is an unwarranted worship of the wealthy

starbright May 03, 2017 10:44AM

Funnily enough

Kstatida May 03, 2017 05:04AM

liberal economic lies vs. conservative economic lies

PaulO May 02, 2017 04:15PM

Re: The liberal economic dream.

Jib May 02, 2017 01:57PM

As another liberal agree with most of your points

starbright May 02, 2017 12:09PM

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