Re: I have some extremely strong views on the Anglo-American system.

February 24, 2013 07:43PM
The college situation isn't quite that dire. Especially for someone whose parents are of limited means and/or who is gifted and applies himself.

The top 0.5% of students get national merit, which basically gets them a free ride to some fairly decent state schools. Not the best state schools, but not total slouches either.

Minority students can get something similar to national merit with lower scores on the exact same test. Many universities reward those awards just like the other ones. So figure maybe...0.75% to 1.0% of all college bound students have the option of a free ride.

A couple of places were willing to cover my costs purely for my score on the math portion of the SAT, irrespective of all the national merit stuff. So if you bomb the PSAT you can still potentially qualify for free money by way of your SAT score.

If your parents are low-income and you can manage to get admitted to one of the ultra-top-tier schools (e.g. Harvard) you'll probably attend for free. (At Harvard, currently, if your parents' household income is lower than $65k you attend for free.)

Another 1-2% of students get athletic scholarships.

You can work during school. You can work during summers. You can place out of some classes via AP tests. You can take classes at a cheap community college and transfer them in. You can either get support from your parents (if they can afford it) or you can apply for need-based grants. Even low-income parents can usually afford to let you keep living at home while you're going to school, even if they can't help with tuition.

Whatever's left (which will potentially be much less than $40k) you can finance via loans. If you apply yourself while in school, choose a marketable degree and attend a half-way decent school, the odds of your being completely unable to find a job after graduating are fairly low.

Should you decide to seek a law or medical degree you can choose a program with loan forgiveness, finance your entire degree, then commit to doing relatively low-paying public interest work until your loans are paid off.
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Did you cheat in college?

MudDud February 23, 2013 08:50AM

Cheating isn't necessary

Elystan March 04, 2013 11:16AM

The way everyone "cheats" is performance enhancing drugs

madglee February 26, 2013 05:59PM

Given your points I am curious, In your mind, what is the purpose of college/university?

Quas February 25, 2013 11:05AM

It's to get a job.

Kez February 25, 2013 09:31PM

many universities would tell you that you just described trade school, not college (n/t)

Quas February 26, 2013 02:52AM

Most wouldn't. (n/t)

Kez February 27, 2013 12:39AM

Depends on the course.

istirith February 25, 2013 09:55PM

No, but I've sort of helped others cheat?

Batman February 25, 2013 05:00AM

Some

Baroness February 25, 2013 04:15AM

I didn't but my cousin did. (n/t)

falchiron February 24, 2013 02:51PM

No.

Jib February 24, 2013 07:17AM

I didn't, but I'm okay with it

MiyagiYojimbo February 24, 2013 12:12AM

Totally agree with everything you wrote here.

Sam February 24, 2013 12:35PM

Re: Totally agree with everything you wrote here.

Isildur(VIP) February 24, 2013 02:32PM

What I am saying is (and this is for ONLY me...as it is based off my knowledge and experience)...

Sam February 24, 2013 03:04PM

Re: I didn't, but I'm okay with it

Isildur(VIP) February 24, 2013 03:24AM

Did you miss the point on purpose?

MiyagiYojimbo February 24, 2013 09:14AM

Somewhat agreed.

RobDarken February 24, 2013 12:51PM

Well, to an extent, that's a function of how expensive college is.

Sam February 24, 2013 03:08PM

I have some extremely strong views on the Anglo-American system.

istirith February 24, 2013 03:20PM

Re: I have some extremely strong views on the Anglo-American system.

Isildur(VIP) February 24, 2013 07:43PM

Yeah, the UK is similar.

istirith February 24, 2013 11:46PM

Re: Yeah, the UK is similar.

Isildur(VIP) February 25, 2013 03:51AM

Nope.

DurNominator(VIP) February 23, 2013 10:03PM

Not so far but...

RobDarken February 23, 2013 08:21PM

These responses make me happy...

MudDud February 23, 2013 03:16PM

small sample size, dude. you must have cheated at statistics. :) nt

Isildur(VIP) February 24, 2013 03:22AM

Estimator bias depends on the size of the population ;) nt

istirith February 24, 2013 03:25AM

I don't regard it as cheating to copy homework; just being lazy and wasting your time and money.

vortexmagus February 23, 2013 05:38PM

Why?

MudDud February 23, 2013 06:23PM

Professors never say anything of that sort.

vortexmagus February 24, 2013 02:49PM

I don't know man.

istirith February 24, 2013 03:01PM

I never cheated on an exam, but I wouldn't judge anyone who did.

Kez February 23, 2013 06:53PM

Re: I never cheated on an exam, but I wouldn't judge anyone who did.

RobDarken February 23, 2013 08:26PM

A tiny bit.

PaulO February 23, 2013 10:51AM

Not AT college. I cheated at CF in college...but I don't think I ever broke honor code for my university.

satchmo February 23, 2013 10:44AM

Cheating at CF breaks the honor code for life. (n/t)

wrathpuppet February 23, 2013 03:12PM

Well if it makes you any happier, I don't cheat at CF anymore. Any percieved risk/punishment outweighs any percieved benefit/reward for it, imho. :P (n/t)

satchmo February 24, 2013 04:47AM

No. txt

Isildur(VIP) February 23, 2013 10:29AM

No.

istirith February 23, 2013 09:52AM

No

silvian February 23, 2013 12:53PM



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