Yeah, the UK is similar.

February 24, 2013 11:46PM
But my misgivings with the system aren't based on whether the top students can get access to the top tier education. I have more misgivings in the UK (cannot speak for the US) with kids getting degrees on a large scale which are, essentially, worthless in a work place, other than in a teaching capacity.

The truth is, the majority of jobs are semi-skilled jobs. Things that require spreadsheets, number crunching, administration, bookkeeping, etc. technician level qualifications and so on and as such I'd rather that the education system placed some more emphasis on an intermediate level qualification for intermediate level students than sold them debt for low worth degrees, as is the current trend. Whenever I hear someone in the UK say something like, "I'm going to University next year to study European Society", or "I'm going to school next year to study Open Source Intelligence", or any variant (Gender Studies, or Media Studies, etc.) it pretty much equates to, "there's another person taking on minimum $25k-45k* debt and graduating with low employment prospects."

There are a lot of jobs which require some training, but not a degree-level education for and by proxy, the majority of kids studying less employable fields of education will end up in these jobs. I don't think high levels of debt should be a requirement for a semi-skilled job which doesn't require a college education. The fact that there is no cap on how many people can take these less valuable degrees (in terms of actual employment) means everyone in that medium-range bracket suffers as a result of burdening themselves with increased levels of debt.

*$45000 is, in fact, the upper rate of a 3 year bachelor's degree in the UK in terms of tuition alone. If a student decided to travel to, for instance University College London from Liverpool, to study gender studies they could expect to accrue $45,000 debt in tuition alone, before living costs. In all actuality they may have as high as $60-70k debt. Maybe even more if they are not careful with their spending.



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Subject Author Posted

Did you cheat in college?

MudDud February 23, 2013 08:50AM

Cheating isn't necessary

Elystan March 04, 2013 11:16AM

The way everyone "cheats" is performance enhancing drugs

madglee February 26, 2013 05:59PM

Given your points I am curious, In your mind, what is the purpose of college/university?

Quas February 25, 2013 11:05AM

It's to get a job.

Kez February 25, 2013 09:31PM

many universities would tell you that you just described trade school, not college (n/t)

Quas February 26, 2013 02:52AM

Most wouldn't. (n/t)

Kez February 27, 2013 12:39AM

Depends on the course.

istirith February 25, 2013 09:55PM

No, but I've sort of helped others cheat?

Batman February 25, 2013 05:00AM

Some

Baroness February 25, 2013 04:15AM

I didn't but my cousin did. (n/t)

falchiron February 24, 2013 02:51PM

No.

Jib February 24, 2013 07:17AM

I didn't, but I'm okay with it

MiyagiYojimbo February 24, 2013 12:12AM

Totally agree with everything you wrote here.

Sam February 24, 2013 12:35PM

Re: Totally agree with everything you wrote here.

Isildur(VIP) February 24, 2013 02:32PM

What I am saying is (and this is for ONLY me...as it is based off my knowledge and experience)...

Sam February 24, 2013 03:04PM

Re: I didn't, but I'm okay with it

Isildur(VIP) February 24, 2013 03:24AM

Did you miss the point on purpose?

MiyagiYojimbo February 24, 2013 09:14AM

Somewhat agreed.

RobDarken February 24, 2013 12:51PM

Well, to an extent, that's a function of how expensive college is.

Sam February 24, 2013 03:08PM

I have some extremely strong views on the Anglo-American system.

istirith February 24, 2013 03:20PM

Re: I have some extremely strong views on the Anglo-American system.

Isildur(VIP) February 24, 2013 07:43PM

Yeah, the UK is similar.

istirith February 24, 2013 11:46PM

Re: Yeah, the UK is similar.

Isildur(VIP) February 25, 2013 03:51AM

Nope.

DurNominator(VIP) February 23, 2013 10:03PM

Not so far but...

RobDarken February 23, 2013 08:21PM

These responses make me happy...

MudDud February 23, 2013 03:16PM

small sample size, dude. you must have cheated at statistics. :) nt

Isildur(VIP) February 24, 2013 03:22AM

Estimator bias depends on the size of the population ;) nt

istirith February 24, 2013 03:25AM

I don't regard it as cheating to copy homework; just being lazy and wasting your time and money.

vortexmagus February 23, 2013 05:38PM

Why?

MudDud February 23, 2013 06:23PM

Professors never say anything of that sort.

vortexmagus February 24, 2013 02:49PM

I don't know man.

istirith February 24, 2013 03:01PM

I never cheated on an exam, but I wouldn't judge anyone who did.

Kez February 23, 2013 06:53PM

Re: I never cheated on an exam, but I wouldn't judge anyone who did.

RobDarken February 23, 2013 08:26PM

A tiny bit.

PaulO February 23, 2013 10:51AM

Not AT college. I cheated at CF in college...but I don't think I ever broke honor code for my university.

satchmo February 23, 2013 10:44AM

Cheating at CF breaks the honor code for life. (n/t)

wrathpuppet February 23, 2013 03:12PM

Well if it makes you any happier, I don't cheat at CF anymore. Any percieved risk/punishment outweighs any percieved benefit/reward for it, imho. :P (n/t)

satchmo February 24, 2013 04:47AM

No. txt

Isildur(VIP) February 23, 2013 10:29AM

No.

istirith February 23, 2013 09:52AM

No

silvian February 23, 2013 12:53PM



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