Re: I'll respond just for fun.

September 06, 2019 08:26PM
1. Right, as you mention this is a bipartisan trend, not helped by the fact that since the 1970s Congress has been growing executive power by creating new parts of the government which are managed by the executive office. This is a workaround to the fact that Congress was never designed - by virtue of requiring a super majority for most things - to rapidly enact law that might not be popular with some portion or another of the country. Congress is designed for gridlock and this is their workaround to that. Regardless you're going to have to be a lot more specific when you say "he doesn't have good people working for him" because I'm much more interested in specific policies and your perception of their impact which I can contrast with my understanding of their impact. We might not agree but I'm not going to take it as a premise.

2. What is it you perceive as so bad which has been incited by Trump? If you're going to tell me white nationalism is the number one domestic threat in this country I'm going to have to politely disagree. Stastically that argument has no merit at all and I should be more worried about being killed by a dog or cow attack than my chances of being killed by domestic terrorists of any political affiliation.

3. CEO pay is very competitive actually. When you talk about say a Fortune 500 CEO, who are the ones making the type of money that people envy, there is an incredibly small field of people capable of performing well in these roles. Also - If you took the CEO of Walmart and you took all their money that they receive and instead paid it to all the employees, this would result in a $20/year raise. It is typically the case when people say this about top level CEOs they couldn't actually be those CEOs on their best day nor would they even want to. There's two primary theories on how government should handle stimulating the economy - keynesian and trickle down. Keynesian doesn't work, it's been demonstrated not to work. There's a lot of complicated reasons for this but in general:

A) Large government spending projects create uncertainty which inhibits spending. A tax credit to the rich requires no actual tax dollars be allocated (tax coffers are up from the recent bout of tax cuts, even though people pretend otherwise). However, an actual credit to the working class, many of whom may not even pay federal income taxes because they're below the line, requires outright spending and this kind of spending leads people to think taxes will be raised which has a chilling effect on hiring and investing.

B) Because there's a much larger number of individuals than there is investors, the amount of capital per actor in this kind of distribution is very small. It's limited to a small subset of potential purchases. It has virtually no chance of in turn generating additional revenue or creating a long term revenue stream. Example - you get a $500 tax credit check, what can you actually do with that? I mean I guess you could invest it into the stock market or something to that effect, with any trading fees being very painful because it's such a small amount, but most people will do something like buy a better TV. You can imagine why this wouldn't go far in helping the American economy (and note, much of that TV's cost will wind up overseas again based on globalism and our trade deficit).

C) People who believe in Keynesian economics also for whatever reason believe in lots of costly and pointless regulation which tends to work agaisnt them. This shouldn't be the case but for whatever reason it is in practice.

D) Government in everything it does tends to get raked over the coals on rent seekers. By virtue of having to acquire the money and then spend it back out again a lot of it gets lost. "Mr. Wonderful" from Shark Tank puts it like this, "Every dollar the government spends has a 3rd of it wasted."

That being said again, even if you like Keynesian economics it doesn't change the dynamic of wealth gap generation. The wealth gap comes from a trade deficit where most of the country is labor and yet most of our labor is provided from outside of our country. Make no mistake, the "labor class" of America is "the rest of the world besides America". And in the amount of time that people have said 'trickle down economics don't work', spending from developed countries like America has cut global poverty by 50% - because we're buying a lot we're just not always buying it from here.

4) I want to say they mean well but their policies are seriously awful. I can't name any that have done well. Being a Republican basically means being unpopular with young people but actually correct in most things. That being said, don't mistake this as a blanket endorsement of every Republican politican...because people be griftin.

So anyway, I hope that was helpful and I hope you agree with a lot of that up there but what I'm getting at is that :

- People had very valid reasons to vote for Trump.
- He hasn't let them down, his approval rating amongst his supporters is sky high.
- The world hasn't ended, no major wars, the apocolypse hasn't come, nor tyranny set upon the peoples.
- None of this is conspiracy theories and I can find prominent intelligent people and even left-aisle people who will agree on most of above.

Would I like him to tweet less? Sure. I'd also like him to be less stupid in many of the things he says. Still, you know it's like, the bar doesn't have to be that high to outperform the competition when it comes to DC. Self-serving swamp creature isn't that crazy of an analogy for what they are.

Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 09/06/2019 08:48PM by Death_Claw.
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Holy. Shit.

GoldenApple August 27, 2019 11:02AM

Even if its true.. what's the holy shit?

kadsuane September 04, 2019 03:24AM

He has a muslim fetish

MiyagiYojimbo September 04, 2019 09:29AM

In psychology, we call this "projection".

GoldenApple September 05, 2019 12:25AM

She's just intensely dislikeable.

Death_Claw September 05, 2019 05:17AM

Only to the far-right

GoldenApple September 05, 2019 06:33AM

"very likely the future of the American left"

PaulO September 10, 2019 05:42AM

She polled 9% approval among swing state Democrats.

Death_Claw September 06, 2019 02:35AM

Hey buddy get out of here with that we choose our own truths and feelings over facts round these parts. n/t

jalim September 06, 2019 03:26AM

I love when you talk about facts in this particular spectrum..

kadsuane September 09, 2019 05:00AM

Not sure what you mean.

jalim September 09, 2019 05:25AM

Mostly that you almost always ignore actual facts and your go to medium for information seems to be memes.

kadsuane September 09, 2019 08:52AM

Excuse me sir, do you have a moment to talk about Pinochet?

MiyagiYojimbo September 09, 2019 08:27AM

As a dirty half-breed mutt

MiyagiYojimbo September 05, 2019 08:42AM

The far left is not the future of anything really

zannon September 05, 2019 08:27AM

It never ceases to amaze me...

Death_Claw September 06, 2019 07:04AM

"People who call everyone else [racist, et al.] see no issue making sweeping ignorant generalizations."

The Faithful of Nazmorghul October 26, 2019 02:13PM


Death_Claw September 06, 2019 07:17AM

I am pretty sure reality has repeatedly shown trickle down economics are a fairytale

Quas September 06, 2019 05:02PM

Somewhat disagree...

Sam February 09, 2020 06:42PM


Death_Claw September 06, 2019 07:50PM

Enlighten me. How does it work?

Quas September 07, 2019 02:19AM

Re: Enlighten me. How does it work?

Death_Claw November 04, 2019 12:06PM

Le sigh

Quas November 05, 2019 02:45AM

So help me out here..

jalim November 05, 2019 05:29AM

Re: So help me out here..

Quas November 06, 2019 02:40AM

The companies in question..

jalim November 06, 2019 04:34AM

Re: Le sigh

Death_Claw November 05, 2019 03:52AM

Re: Le sigh

Quas November 05, 2019 05:22AM

Re: Le sigh

Death_Claw November 05, 2019 07:02AM

i think you've had a lot of kool-aid

The Forsaken(VIP) November 21, 2019 04:33PM

RE: Capitalism disproportionately rewards the one with the capital vs. the laborer

jalim November 22, 2019 06:48AM

No I don't

The Forsaken(VIP) November 22, 2019 07:12AM

It comes down to negotiating power

daurwyn November 22, 2019 09:38AM

professional sports

Quas November 22, 2019 12:24PM

You're being simplistic with this argument....and wrong in a lot of ways.

Sam February 09, 2020 06:52PM

Re: You're being simplistic with this argument....and wrong in a lot of ways.

Quas April 25, 2020 05:20AM

They DO have a great deal of leverage. It's just that very few of them know how to use it. (n/t)

Frosty November 22, 2019 03:06PM

Regarding the concentration of wealth in general...

Death_Claw November 05, 2019 04:11AM

Keep repeating the lie often enough... someone eventually will believe it

kadsuane September 10, 2019 09:20AM

2019 calling the 1980s...still waiting for that trickle down (n/t)

HairyOrangutan September 06, 2019 07:36PM

I'll respond just for fun.

zannon September 06, 2019 10:01AM

I agree with nearly everything you've said except for that slander against Cocaine Mitch

Sam February 09, 2020 06:54PM

Re: I'll respond just for fun.

Death_Claw September 06, 2019 08:26PM

This is hilarious.

Frosty September 05, 2019 08:13AM

It's over, we're done.

MiyagiYojimbo September 05, 2019 08:20AM

Well at least we know. Not knowing is the worst! (n/t)

Frosty September 05, 2019 08:56AM

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