Re: You're being simplistic with this argument....and wrong in a lot of ways.

April 25, 2020 05:20AM
Just to bring back a zombie thread...

1) most CBAs for professional sports leagues split revenue roughly equal between the players and the teams (I believe the last NBA CBA was 52/48 if I remember correctly). I wouldnt necessarily call that unfair or skewed towards favoring the owners.

So as to my point about negotiating power... how much of their own time (the most limited of resources) do owners collectively contribute to professional sports vs the athletes, workers, trainers, marketers, cooks, cleaners, etc? The fact that you think they should get roughly the same extracted value as those who actually create the value is a contrition to power of accumulated capital, their value is they have a bank account, they can be replaced by any bank account whereas a ticket taker needs to physically show up and athletes need to develop skills over decades.

2) conversely, if you take operating losses into affect and put it about asset appreciation, the owners often get a raw deal on a strictly number basis. But the owners are a) already fantastically wealthy b) betting on the increased value of their asset to justify their losses. See Arthur Blanks comments on his MLS franchise or look at the sale price of recent sports franchises for reference

This might be true of some owners but collectively the market wouldn't exist in the way it does if owners generally didn't think they could get value from their investment. To be fair though that value might be speculative (like current e-sports betting the market will grow eventually) or complimentary (like being able to leverage access to games to garner favor in other businesses).

3) players have more leverage than you think, unfortunately the owners are one unified "block" whereas often the players/unions aren't always working on the same level. You're telling me if LeBron/Giannis/Kawhi/etc didnt start their own league with optimal TV rights that the NBA owners wouldn't cave in a heartbeat?

Yes exactly my point, it is all about leverage. Getting 300+ people to stay a course is more difficult that 10-20. If those people only have a handful of years where they can ply their trade then the sacrifice of 1 week or 1 year is significantly more than an owner who may plan to hold the team as an asset for decades. To address your idea about some star players creating a competing league they would need to go through all of the significant barriers to entry, owners already have a league so they don't have to deal with that.
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Holy. Shit.

GoldenApple August 27, 2019 11:02AM

Even if its true.. what's the holy shit?

kadsuane September 04, 2019 03:24AM

He has a muslim fetish

MiyagiYojimbo September 04, 2019 09:29AM

In psychology, we call this "projection".

GoldenApple September 05, 2019 12:25AM

She's just intensely dislikeable.

Death_Claw September 05, 2019 05:17AM

Only to the far-right

GoldenApple September 05, 2019 06:33AM

"very likely the future of the American left"

PaulO September 10, 2019 05:42AM

She polled 9% approval among swing state Democrats.

Death_Claw September 06, 2019 02:35AM

Hey buddy get out of here with that we choose our own truths and feelings over facts round these parts. n/t

jalim September 06, 2019 03:26AM

I love when you talk about facts in this particular spectrum..

kadsuane September 09, 2019 05:00AM

Not sure what you mean.

jalim September 09, 2019 05:25AM

Mostly that you almost always ignore actual facts and your go to medium for information seems to be memes.

kadsuane September 09, 2019 08:52AM

Excuse me sir, do you have a moment to talk about Pinochet?

MiyagiYojimbo September 09, 2019 08:27AM

As a dirty half-breed mutt

MiyagiYojimbo September 05, 2019 08:42AM

The far left is not the future of anything really

zannon September 05, 2019 08:27AM

It never ceases to amaze me...

Death_Claw September 06, 2019 07:04AM

"People who call everyone else [racist, et al.] see no issue making sweeping ignorant generalizations."

The Faithful of Nazmorghul October 26, 2019 02:13PM

Expanded...

Death_Claw September 06, 2019 07:17AM

I am pretty sure reality has repeatedly shown trickle down economics are a fairytale

Quas September 06, 2019 05:02PM

Somewhat disagree...

Sam February 09, 2020 06:42PM

Ok.

Death_Claw September 06, 2019 07:50PM

Enlighten me. How does it work?

Quas September 07, 2019 02:19AM

Re: Enlighten me. How does it work?

Death_Claw November 04, 2019 12:06PM

Le sigh

Quas November 05, 2019 02:45AM

So help me out here..

jalim November 05, 2019 05:29AM

Re: So help me out here..

Quas November 06, 2019 02:40AM

The companies in question..

jalim November 06, 2019 04:34AM

Re: Le sigh

Death_Claw November 05, 2019 03:52AM

Re: Le sigh

Quas November 05, 2019 05:22AM

Re: Le sigh

Death_Claw November 05, 2019 07:02AM

i think you've had a lot of kool-aid

The Forsaken(VIP) November 21, 2019 04:33PM

RE: Capitalism disproportionately rewards the one with the capital vs. the laborer

jalim November 22, 2019 06:48AM

No I don't

The Forsaken(VIP) November 22, 2019 07:12AM

It comes down to negotiating power

daurwyn November 22, 2019 09:38AM

professional sports

Quas November 22, 2019 12:24PM

You're being simplistic with this argument....and wrong in a lot of ways.

Sam February 09, 2020 06:52PM

Re: You're being simplistic with this argument....and wrong in a lot of ways.

Quas April 25, 2020 05:20AM

They DO have a great deal of leverage. It's just that very few of them know how to use it. (n/t)

Frosty November 22, 2019 03:06PM

Regarding the concentration of wealth in general...

Death_Claw November 05, 2019 04:11AM

Keep repeating the lie often enough... someone eventually will believe it

kadsuane September 10, 2019 09:20AM

2019 calling the 1980s...still waiting for that trickle down (n/t)

HairyOrangutan September 06, 2019 07:36PM

I'll respond just for fun.

zannon September 06, 2019 10:01AM

I agree with nearly everything you've said except for that slander against Cocaine Mitch

Sam February 09, 2020 06:54PM

Re: I'll respond just for fun.

Death_Claw September 06, 2019 08:26PM

This is hilarious.

Frosty September 05, 2019 08:13AM

It's over, we're done.

MiyagiYojimbo September 05, 2019 08:20AM

Well at least we know. Not knowing is the worst! (n/t)

Frosty September 05, 2019 08:56AM



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