Curious about positions on the green debates

November 25, 2009 08:35PM
The two most controversial aspects in the recent environmental debates would be pollution and climate change, which are semi-linked to each other.

Regarding Pollution:

Question 1: Do you believe pollution is a serious problem. Yes or No?

I am honestly boggled whenever someone answers no to this - it seems to me that the vast amounts of waste generated by six billion people (and growing) is bound to have negative effects on the environment - I don't understand how someone could possibly believe that pollution isn't a serious issue that will have to be addressed soon.

Question 2: Do you believe pollution is an immediate problem that requires immediate investment: yes or no? If no, what do you consider more important? If yes,

I think this is the real killer in the debate - most people agree that millions of tons of plastics being added every year to those floating in our oceans and sitting in our landfills is going to be a problem sooner or later. The question is how soon, and how much of a problem. Is it one that is worth prioritizing over the recent recession? Perhaps not. Is it one worth prioritizing over, say, space exploration or developing a better educational system or rebuilding our screwed up health-care plans?

The second big issue everyone's been discussing recently would be climate change.

Question 1: Do you believe climate change exists?

This is an interesting one - there's a lot of people out there who actually deny the idea that we're undergoing climate change. It used to be that these people were typically the same kind of people who believe the earth is six thousand years old and Jesus will come down and smite everyone who disagrees with them, but now its getting to be an increasingly popular position. In the United States, in particular, climate change seems to be closer to a politically divisive issue than a fact-based scientific one - Republicans tend to oppose action in regards to climate change, citing it as a low-priority, unproven threat, while democrats and their grassroots activists tend to support action towards reduction of greenhouse emissions.

I'm obviously biased towards the idea that climate change does indeed exist, so take this information with a grain of salt, if you will.

"The finding that the climate has warmed in recent decades and that this warming is likely attributable to human influence has been endorsed by every national science academy that has issued a statement on climate change, including the science academies of all of the major industrialized countries. At present, no scientific body of national or international standing has issued a dissenting statement. A small minority of professional associations have issued noncommittal statements.

Opponents maintain that most scientists consider global warming "unproved," dismiss it altogether, or highlight the dangers of focusing on only one viewpoint in the context of what they say is unsettled science, or point out that science is based on facts and not on opinion polls."

~Wikipedia on Global Warming Scientific Consensus

Question 2: Assuming you answered yes to question 1, do you believe that Climate Change is a significant enough problem that it merits immediate action? If so, what sort of action, and what priority would you put it at?

Similarly, do you feel that this issue is a high priority short-term issue or a high priority long-term issue or a low-priority short-term/long-term issue and why? What do you consider more important, and what do you consider less important?
Subject Author Posted

Curious about positions on the green debates

vortexmagus November 25, 2009 08:35PM

We are actively changing our climate. There is NO doubt.

Yhorian(VIP) November 27, 2009 05:00AM

I have doubts. nt

The Forsaken(VIP) November 28, 2009 07:02AM

Re: Curious about positions on the green debates

DurNominator(VIP) November 27, 2009 01:02AM

Here's what has never made sense to me

wrathpuppet November 26, 2009 04:25PM

Re: Here's what has never made sense to me

Isildur(VIP) November 28, 2009 04:49AM

I can see that but...

wrathpuppet November 28, 2009 07:55AM

lazy crazy (n/t)

Circle November 26, 2009 04:58PM

Human-caused climate change is bunk

larrygroznic November 26, 2009 11:11AM

weather is day-to-day, climate is an average over years

morocco November 26, 2009 12:40PM

Please provide results of the ice core studies

larrygroznic November 26, 2009 12:45PM

Re: Please provide results of the ice core studies

morocco November 26, 2009 01:15PM

The core samples only show that there was more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere

larrygroznic November 26, 2009 01:27PM

Well that's almost impossible to "prove", seeing how complex the atmosphere is

morocco November 26, 2009 01:39PM

Why don't you do some proper research, instead of sounding off like a tool?

Jatropha November 26, 2009 11:40AM

Too bad 99% of the scientific community doesn't believe that climate change is human-caused

larrygroznic November 26, 2009 11:45AM

Fine, then. A significant majority (that is not 99%) of the scientific community thinks there is a causal link.

bell November 26, 2009 11:52AM

Another misguided individual

larrygroznic November 26, 2009 11:59AM

I guess you edited it before I got home, but .. don't post homophobic slurs again. I'm sick of seeing this crap. (n/t)

Balrahd(VIP) November 26, 2009 01:21PM

You're just upset I dissed lawyers

larrygroznic November 26, 2009 01:29PM

I can't catch everything, but I would, yes (n/t)

Balrahd(VIP) November 26, 2009 02:46PM

You don't catch it because it doesn't happen. (n/t)

Starscream November 26, 2009 02:47PM

Bye. (n/t)

Balrahd(VIP) November 26, 2009 02:57PM

Unbanned

DurNominator(VIP) November 27, 2009 11:23AM

Are you purposefully being gay, or are you just TRYING to not be a VIP? NT

Batman November 26, 2009 03:00PM

Re: Another misguided individual

Isildur(VIP) November 26, 2009 01:06PM

Why should he waste his time?

Lye November 26, 2009 12:54PM

Then show him evidence. NT

Batman November 26, 2009 02:28PM

See, you can't prove that I am wrong, though

larrygroznic November 26, 2009 01:20PM

OMFG. State of fear? Hahahahahahahahaha. Next you'll be telling us about the island with all the dinosaurs. smtxt

bell November 27, 2009 06:31AM

The problem with these positions, though, is that they're universal

vortexmagus November 26, 2009 08:29PM

Re: See, you can't prove that I am wrong, though

qurdind November 26, 2009 02:26PM

I very much could. I won't.

Lye November 26, 2009 01:53PM

Then you can't expect him to agree with you. You're being stupid now. NT

Batman November 26, 2009 02:30PM

No, you don't get it.

Lye November 26, 2009 03:14PM

I've thought about becoming a Lawyer.

Starscream November 26, 2009 11:46AM

Re: Curious about positions on the green debates

Isildur(VIP) November 26, 2009 05:50AM

I take no position on your questions, except space exploration.

Matrik November 26, 2009 05:00AM

I pretty much believe all of those things

Rade November 26, 2009 03:57AM

"We'll throw some other junk in the atmosphere or something to lower the temperature a few degrees."

Matrik November 26, 2009 04:58AM

:-) nt

Rade November 26, 2009 07:04AM

Guess what's in this image.

Batman November 26, 2009 04:12AM

Global society has to be more efficient

morocco November 26, 2009 03:15AM



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