Re: Curious about positions on the green debates

November 26, 2009 05:50AM
> Question 1: Do you believe pollution is a serious problem. Yes or No?

You'd have to define "serious". But yeah, I generally support measures to reduce pollution.

Regarding how how someone could not think it a serious problem- It's easy when you never see the effects of your pollution. It's not affecting me, ergo it's not a serious problem.

> Question 2: Do you believe pollution is an immediate problem that requires immediate investment: yes or no? If no, what do you consider more important?

How much investment? In what? I think some investments make sense. Others probably don't, in that their benefits are overstated.

Generally speaking I don't think "investment" and "technology" will solve our problems. People will need to modify their behaviors and their level of consumption. People won't do this until there is sufficient economic motivation for them to do so.

> Question 1: Do you believe climate change exists?

The climate's always changing. The question you want to ask is, "Do you believe anthropogenic climate change exists?"

My answer is "probably". But I also think it's overstated, and that climatologists rely overmuch on extrapolations and computer modeling.

> Opponents maintain that most scientists consider global warming "unproved,"

For the record, this is not true. Opponents maintain that a "small but significant minority" of scientists question anthropogenic global warming. They don't claim a majority, afaik.

> Question 2: Assuming you answered yes to question 1, do you believe that Climate Change is a significant enough problem that it merits immediate action? If so, what sort of action, and what priority would you put it at?

If all the dire predictions are completely accurate, then yeah, it's a big deal and we should take immediate action.

That said, I feel like all the dire consequences are mainly going to affect groups of people other than the ones currently talking about curtailing carbon emissions. That is to say, poor developing countries, which are typically the ones fighting hardest against any restrictions on their emissions.

Food scarcity and things like that would obviously affect everyone globally, but rich nations have more room to fall before people actually start starving in the streets.

As far as cars go, I feel like that will mostly resolve itself as we start to run out of oil. It will become more expensive and there'll be much more willingness to use alternate fuels simply due to cost. This will probably happen inside my lifetime. Coal is a bigger problem. First, because it accounts for a larger percentage of carbon emissions than gasoline, and second because there's a lot more of it in the earth's crust for us to extract before it starts to get prohibitively expensive.
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Curious about positions on the green debates

vortexmagus November 25, 2009 08:35PM

We are actively changing our climate. There is NO doubt.

Yhorian(VIP) November 27, 2009 05:00AM

I have doubts. nt

The Forsaken(VIP) November 28, 2009 07:02AM

Re: Curious about positions on the green debates

DurNominator(VIP) November 27, 2009 01:02AM

Here's what has never made sense to me

wrathpuppet November 26, 2009 04:25PM

Re: Here's what has never made sense to me

Isildur(VIP) November 28, 2009 04:49AM

I can see that but...

wrathpuppet November 28, 2009 07:55AM

lazy crazy (n/t)

Circle November 26, 2009 04:58PM

Human-caused climate change is bunk

larrygroznic November 26, 2009 11:11AM

weather is day-to-day, climate is an average over years

morocco November 26, 2009 12:40PM

Please provide results of the ice core studies

larrygroznic November 26, 2009 12:45PM

Re: Please provide results of the ice core studies

morocco November 26, 2009 01:15PM

The core samples only show that there was more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere

larrygroznic November 26, 2009 01:27PM

Well that's almost impossible to "prove", seeing how complex the atmosphere is

morocco November 26, 2009 01:39PM

Why don't you do some proper research, instead of sounding off like a tool?

Jatropha November 26, 2009 11:40AM

Too bad 99% of the scientific community doesn't believe that climate change is human-caused

larrygroznic November 26, 2009 11:45AM

Fine, then. A significant majority (that is not 99%) of the scientific community thinks there is a causal link.

bell November 26, 2009 11:52AM

Another misguided individual

larrygroznic November 26, 2009 11:59AM

I guess you edited it before I got home, but .. don't post homophobic slurs again. I'm sick of seeing this crap. (n/t)

Balrahd(VIP) November 26, 2009 01:21PM

You're just upset I dissed lawyers

larrygroznic November 26, 2009 01:29PM

I can't catch everything, but I would, yes (n/t)

Balrahd(VIP) November 26, 2009 02:46PM

You don't catch it because it doesn't happen. (n/t)

Starscream November 26, 2009 02:47PM

Bye. (n/t)

Balrahd(VIP) November 26, 2009 02:57PM

Unbanned

DurNominator(VIP) November 27, 2009 11:23AM

Are you purposefully being gay, or are you just TRYING to not be a VIP? NT

Batman November 26, 2009 03:00PM

Re: Another misguided individual

Isildur(VIP) November 26, 2009 01:06PM

Why should he waste his time?

Lye November 26, 2009 12:54PM

Then show him evidence. NT

Batman November 26, 2009 02:28PM

See, you can't prove that I am wrong, though

larrygroznic November 26, 2009 01:20PM

OMFG. State of fear? Hahahahahahahahaha. Next you'll be telling us about the island with all the dinosaurs. smtxt

bell November 27, 2009 06:31AM

The problem with these positions, though, is that they're universal

vortexmagus November 26, 2009 08:29PM

Re: See, you can't prove that I am wrong, though

qurdind November 26, 2009 02:26PM

I very much could. I won't.

Lye November 26, 2009 01:53PM

Then you can't expect him to agree with you. You're being stupid now. NT

Batman November 26, 2009 02:30PM

No, you don't get it.

Lye November 26, 2009 03:14PM

I've thought about becoming a Lawyer.

Starscream November 26, 2009 11:46AM

Re: Curious about positions on the green debates

Isildur(VIP) November 26, 2009 05:50AM

I take no position on your questions, except space exploration.

Matrik November 26, 2009 05:00AM

I pretty much believe all of those things

Rade November 26, 2009 03:57AM

"We'll throw some other junk in the atmosphere or something to lower the temperature a few degrees."

Matrik November 26, 2009 04:58AM

:-) nt

Rade November 26, 2009 07:04AM

Guess what's in this image.

Batman November 26, 2009 04:12AM

Global society has to be more efficient

morocco November 26, 2009 03:15AM



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