where the problem lies

Quas

January 31, 2013 06:24AM

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You think that giving up firearms is giving up freedom.
-- I assume that the freedom you feel you are giving up is the right to personal property of your choice. If you believe that you are giving up the freedom to self defense then I would point you to the TONS of other methods of self defense that don't involve a gun as an alternative.

I think that giving up firearms increases freedom.
--I think by disarming people you enhance everyones freedom to express their ideas(especially controvetial ones) and the ability to feel secure in public places.

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Subject	Author	Posted
For Physics, Re: Gun ownership and social cost.	istirith	January 29, 2013 07:37PM
PS: On behalf of all British people..	istirith	January 31, 2013 03:12PM
Related Article	vortexmagus	January 31, 2013 11:53AM
ahuehue	Matrik	January 31, 2013 12:11PM
its hard to find good data	Quas	January 30, 2013 04:07AM
You have no idea.	istirith	January 30, 2013 06:19AM
but, but, we love our confirmation bias! (n/t)	Quixotic	January 30, 2013 07:08AM
The government is just responding to pop culture	Rade	January 30, 2013 04:40AM
This is something deadly serious. I urge all people to consider what "zombie apocalypse" training is really about.	Pro	January 30, 2013 05:02AM
Occam's razor, civil unrest doesn't have to be this existential thing for the U.S.	Rade	January 30, 2013 07:47AM
Stop being crazy. This is a discussion about a CDC webpage	wrathpuppet	January 30, 2013 05:15AM
Keep thinking that's what it's only about.	Pro	January 30, 2013 05:17AM
This fails every application of logic.	wrathpuppet	January 30, 2013 05:25AM
It fails no application of logic as you say.	Pro	January 30, 2013 05:33AM
We're not even close to revolution.	wrathpuppet	January 30, 2013 05:40AM
Revolution vs Civil unrest	Quixotic	January 30, 2013 06:21AM
I think that there is something up ahead.	istirith	January 30, 2013 04:23PM
The rule of thumb is we are 9 meals away from riots. (n/t)	Pro	January 30, 2013 06:29AM
Just be glad that you're not living in Dubai..	istirith	January 30, 2013 04:28PM
Who said anything about a revolutiuon? I didn't. (n/t)	Pro	January 30, 2013 06:10AM
You implied it. Don't be dishonest. (n/t)	wrathpuppet	January 30, 2013 06:14AM
You just asked Pro not to be dishonest...	NbM(VIP)	January 30, 2013 06:40AM
In no way did I imply it. (Edited)	Pro	January 30, 2013 06:21AM
I don't think the zombie stuff is a waste	Quas	January 30, 2013 04:46AM
I think that's what you keep failing to see from the opposite side	Rade	January 30, 2013 07:43AM
where the problem lies	Quas	January 31, 2013 06:24AM
Indeed it is where the problem lies.	Batman	January 31, 2013 06:46AM
Re: where the problem lies	Matrik	January 31, 2013 06:28AM
Re: where the problem lies	Quas	January 31, 2013 06:34AM
So, basically you are paranoid. (n/t)	Matrik	January 31, 2013 07:03AM
yes, but really only of people with guns, other weapons don't bother me (n/t)	Quas	January 31, 2013 07:06AM
I can see how you would want people disarmed then. I'm sorry you have to live in fear.	Matrik	January 31, 2013 07:07AM
I would also point out that anyone who feels ths need to carry a gun is also paranoid, do you feel sorry for them too? (n/t)	Quas	January 31, 2013 07:21AM
Do you feel that people who feel the need to protect their right to vote in fair democratic elections are paranoid? nt	Rade	February 02, 2013 07:11AM
I don't think that's true, so no I don't feel sorry for them. (n/t)	Matrik	January 31, 2013 07:25AM
Isn't living in fear one of the primary motives for gun ownership in the first place? (n/t)	wrathpuppet	January 31, 2013 07:12AM
That, or enjoyment, etc.	Batman	January 31, 2013 07:20AM
I disagree. I think fear is at the root of all of those things.	wrathpuppet	January 31, 2013 07:26AM
I guess I just don't like the definition of fear being so broadly applicable since then it's not exactly distinguishable from "action".	Batman	January 31, 2013 07:30AM
Again, I disagree.	wrathpuppet	January 31, 2013 07:35AM
But you get +150 points for tackling a train!	Batman	January 31, 2013 07:56AM
This is a top notch post. (n/t)	wrathpuppet	January 31, 2013 08:38AM
the path	Matrik	January 31, 2013 08:01AM
For the record:	Matrik	January 31, 2013 07:37AM
It felt like you were. (n/t)	wrathpuppet	January 31, 2013 07:44AM
Are you paranoid that I was?	Matrik	January 31, 2013 07:47AM
Bad subject line. Changed.	Matrik	January 31, 2013 07:29AM
I think we're just going to disagree on this. (n/t)	wrathpuppet	January 31, 2013 07:30AM
Probably. My heart is not in it to try very hard. (n/t)	Matrik	January 31, 2013 07:31AM
this is more or less correct	Quas	January 31, 2013 07:24AM
I'm going to point out here...txt	wrathpuppet	January 31, 2013 07:29AM
lolled	Batman	January 31, 2013 07:33AM
It comes down to cost/benefit.	wrathpuppet	January 31, 2013 07:42AM
But do those THOUSANDS of deaths per year really balance that out?	Batman	January 31, 2013 07:57AM
Of course, because there would be Millions less people without vehicles	Quas	January 31, 2013 09:18AM
So make vehicles only commercial, no private ownership allowed. That way we can prevent more deaths.	Batman	January 31, 2013 09:44AM
this is not a good comparison	Quas	January 31, 2013 09:57AM
You could take public transportation, walk, or ride - just like you said about owning a gun - There are alternatives .Maybe not as convenient, but there are. NT	Batman	January 31, 2013 09:59AM
The fall off to the next best alternative is substantially greater for transportation then weapons	Quas	January 31, 2013 10:04AM
I said the same thing in response to relying on cops everywhere.	Batman	January 31, 2013 10:06AM
Comes down (right or wrong) to popular opinion.	wrathpuppet	January 31, 2013 08:43AM
Not for me. (n/t)	Matrik	January 31, 2013 07:14AM
Clearly not for everyone...	wrathpuppet	January 31, 2013 07:19AM
I think self-defense can be A reason without being THE reason.	Matrik	January 31, 2013 07:58AM
Completely agree with this zombie nonsense.	ghuljun_thul	January 30, 2013 04:21AM
Yeah. I bet you liked zombies before they were cool huh? (n/t)	Matrik	January 30, 2013 06:16AM
Hey, suck it up. I had to live through a vampire trend. (n/t)	Pro	January 30, 2013 04:38AM
www.fbi.gov (n/t)	Pro	January 30, 2013 04:11AM

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