Indeed it is where the problem lies.

January 31, 2013 06:46AM
You're fine with taking something away if people have other options. Similar, I might take away your right to own cars, but not bikes. Or your right to speak freely, except you could still use the interbutts. Or your right to XYZ but you can still ABC. Alternatives on simply the basis of "alternative" mean nothing to me, otherwise they are far too broad like those I could continue mentioning forever more. It entirely does eventually come down to preference, as in what makes us feel secure - and we just differ on that.


" --I think by disarming people you enhance everyones freedom to express their ideas(especially controvetial ones) and the ability to feel secure in public places. "

Especially by enhancing the freedom of a criminal to have me at a disadvantage. Just kidding, that's dramatic. I don't think it does what you think though. I'm not scared of guns. I'm scared of crazy people who, no matter the laws, will get their hands on dangerous things and use them against me. We have different fears too. (Spiders)

Having a police officer around is nice.

Sadly they can't be everywhere all the time. I also DO NOT want them everywhere all the time. Weber talked a bit about how the enforcement or presence of "law" as a physical representative is somewhat oppressive on the minds of those who are nearby - since law then is a bit coercive (NOT IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE!) - so the ever-present idea is a turnoff to me, similar to how I wouldn't want cameras fucking everywhere. But again, that's preference.

Then, let's say it comes to home safety. I have no officers nearby to protect me. They are asleep at their own houses, or patrolling far away. My house is entered and I am in danger, as is my child and my uncle tom - yet I have no weapon with which to defend myself easily. Wat do? I find that interaction to be fixed by have a weapon at your home. While guns may be spooky, a crazy dude who wants to rape your butt 24/7 is spookier (2spooky4me).

Even then, I wouldn't want the police disarmed. Weapons are a good thing. Criminals are a bad thing.

But yeah, I'd chalk the fundamental difference here down to preference of control vs freedom. We just have different ideas of how people should be able to be. I like the more left alone. You like them less armed. Both are cool, but obviously mine is better because I agree with it, thus you are hitler.
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For Physics, Re: Gun ownership and social cost.

istirith January 29, 2013 07:37PM

PS: On behalf of all British people..

istirith January 31, 2013 03:12PM

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vortexmagus January 31, 2013 11:53AM

ahuehue

Matrik January 31, 2013 12:11PM

its hard to find good data

Quas January 30, 2013 04:07AM

You have no idea.

istirith January 30, 2013 06:19AM

but, but, we love our confirmation bias! (n/t)

Quixotic January 30, 2013 07:08AM

The government is just responding to pop culture

Rade January 30, 2013 04:40AM

This is something deadly serious. I urge all people to consider what "zombie apocalypse" training is really about.

Pro January 30, 2013 05:02AM

Occam's razor, civil unrest doesn't have to be this existential thing for the U.S.

Rade January 30, 2013 07:47AM

Stop being crazy. This is a discussion about a CDC webpage

wrathpuppet January 30, 2013 05:15AM

Keep thinking that's what it's only about.

Pro January 30, 2013 05:17AM

This fails every application of logic.

wrathpuppet January 30, 2013 05:25AM

It fails no application of logic as you say.

Pro January 30, 2013 05:33AM

We're not even close to revolution.

wrathpuppet January 30, 2013 05:40AM

Revolution vs Civil unrest

Quixotic January 30, 2013 06:21AM

I think that there is something up ahead.

istirith January 30, 2013 04:23PM

The rule of thumb is we are 9 meals away from riots. (n/t)

Pro January 30, 2013 06:29AM

Just be glad that you're not living in Dubai..

istirith January 30, 2013 04:28PM

Who said anything about a revolutiuon? I didn't. (n/t)

Pro January 30, 2013 06:10AM

You implied it. Don't be dishonest. (n/t)

wrathpuppet January 30, 2013 06:14AM

You just asked Pro not to be dishonest...

NbM(VIP) January 30, 2013 06:40AM

In no way did I imply it. (Edited)

Pro January 30, 2013 06:21AM

I don't think the zombie stuff is a waste

Quas January 30, 2013 04:46AM

I think that's what you keep failing to see from the opposite side

Rade January 30, 2013 07:43AM

where the problem lies

Quas January 31, 2013 06:24AM

Indeed it is where the problem lies.

Batman January 31, 2013 06:46AM

Re: where the problem lies

Matrik January 31, 2013 06:28AM

Re: where the problem lies

Quas January 31, 2013 06:34AM

So, basically you are paranoid. (n/t)

Matrik January 31, 2013 07:03AM

yes, but really only of people with guns, other weapons don't bother me (n/t)

Quas January 31, 2013 07:06AM

I can see how you would want people disarmed then. I'm sorry you have to live in fear.

Matrik January 31, 2013 07:07AM

I would also point out that anyone who feels ths need to carry a gun is also paranoid, do you feel sorry for them too? (n/t)

Quas January 31, 2013 07:21AM

Do you feel that people who feel the need to protect their right to vote in fair democratic elections are paranoid? nt

Rade February 02, 2013 07:11AM

I don't think that's true, so no I don't feel sorry for them. (n/t)

Matrik January 31, 2013 07:25AM

Isn't living in fear one of the primary motives for gun ownership in the first place? (n/t)

wrathpuppet January 31, 2013 07:12AM

That, or enjoyment, etc.

Batman January 31, 2013 07:20AM

I disagree. I think fear is at the root of all of those things.

wrathpuppet January 31, 2013 07:26AM

I guess I just don't like the definition of fear being so broadly applicable since then it's not exactly distinguishable from "action".

Batman January 31, 2013 07:30AM

Again, I disagree.

wrathpuppet January 31, 2013 07:35AM

But you get +150 points for tackling a train!

Batman January 31, 2013 07:56AM

This is a top notch post. (n/t)

wrathpuppet January 31, 2013 08:38AM

the path

Matrik January 31, 2013 08:01AM

For the record:

Matrik January 31, 2013 07:37AM

It felt like you were. (n/t)

wrathpuppet January 31, 2013 07:44AM

Are you paranoid that I was?

Matrik January 31, 2013 07:47AM

Bad subject line. Changed.

Matrik January 31, 2013 07:29AM

I think we're just going to disagree on this. (n/t)

wrathpuppet January 31, 2013 07:30AM

Probably. My heart is not in it to try very hard. (n/t)

Matrik January 31, 2013 07:31AM

this is more or less correct

Quas January 31, 2013 07:24AM

I'm going to point out here...txt

wrathpuppet January 31, 2013 07:29AM

lolled

Batman January 31, 2013 07:33AM

It comes down to cost/benefit.

wrathpuppet January 31, 2013 07:42AM

But do those THOUSANDS of deaths per year really balance that out?

Batman January 31, 2013 07:57AM

Of course, because there would be Millions less people without vehicles

Quas January 31, 2013 09:18AM

So make vehicles only commercial, no private ownership allowed. That way we can prevent more deaths.

Batman January 31, 2013 09:44AM

this is not a good comparison

Quas January 31, 2013 09:57AM

You could take public transportation, walk, or ride - just like you said about owning a gun - There are alternatives .Maybe not as convenient, but there are. NT

Batman January 31, 2013 09:59AM

The fall off to the next best alternative is substantially greater for transportation then weapons

Quas January 31, 2013 10:04AM

I said the same thing in response to relying on cops everywhere.

Batman January 31, 2013 10:06AM

Comes down (right or wrong) to popular opinion.

wrathpuppet January 31, 2013 08:43AM

Not for me. (n/t)

Matrik January 31, 2013 07:14AM

Clearly not for everyone...

wrathpuppet January 31, 2013 07:19AM

I think self-defense can be *A* reason without being THE reason.

Matrik January 31, 2013 07:58AM

Completely agree with this zombie nonsense.

ghuljun_thul January 30, 2013 04:21AM

Yeah. I bet you liked zombies before they were cool huh? (n/t)

Matrik January 30, 2013 06:16AM

Hey, suck it up. I had to live through a vampire trend. (n/t)

Pro January 30, 2013 04:38AM

www.fbi.gov (n/t)

Pro January 30, 2013 04:11AM



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